Computer combat Q

Fyron · #1 January 16th, 2004, 05:58 PM

They can still individually be destroyed by a level 3 virus in one shot. So unless you want to have a bunch of MCs, it is better to use level 3 as they are cheaper. A much better backup is a Bridge, 1 LS and 1 CQ. Not subject to the virus, and in Gold, the ship is still immune to the allegience subverter if the MC is destroyed. All you need is 1 of each of those components to not lose any movement points, or 1 MC.

Loser · #2 January 16th, 2004, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
A much better backup is a Bridge, 1 LS and 1 CQ.

This is all you need?

Even on a Baseship?

Time to redesign...

Alneyan · #3 January 16th, 2004, 06:33 PM

You need more than one LS/CQ for a Baseship, unless you put a Master Computer (to replace Bridge/LS/CQ). Then the Bridge/LS/CQ is only needed to pilot the ship without losing any movement point, as only one of each is required for this purpose, even for a Baseship.

Fyron · #4 January 16th, 2004, 06:44 PM

Which is what I said.

Loser · #5 January 16th, 2004, 07:12 PM

Let's see....

MC3 + Bridge + CQ + LS = 5,500 min, 1,100 Org, 1,000 Rad and 50 kilotons

Bridge + CQx5 + LSx5 = 5,500 min, 500 Org, 0 Rad and 60 kilotons

What, then, is the reason for using the Master Computer at all?

Either you are vulnerable to the Virus or you gain only 10 kilotons for the cost of 600 Org (no reall issue) and 1,000 Rad. I don't see how this is worthwhile.

Wait, I do see one small advantage. Leaving out the Bridge and whatnot, you can get a cheaper 'empty' hull, for retro-series startups.

If this is not worthwhile on a baseship I'm not sure it would be worthwhile anywhere.

Of course, there is the AC...

[edit: found an error. That should be like this.

Bridge + CQx5 + LSx5 = 5,500 min, 500 Org, 0 Rad and 110 kilotons

So you get 60 kilotons for the cost of 600 Org and 1,000 Rad, which isn't quite so bad.]

[ January 16, 2004, 17:39: Message edited by: Loser ]

Alneyan · #6 January 16th, 2004, 07:50 PM

If your opponent is not using Computer Viruses (these are expensive to research in the vanilla game), then you will save some space with a Master Computer without any backup component and you will be immune to the Psychic converters.

Erh yes you were right Fyron, I guess I should read *carefully* the thread before answering to a quote. *Grumbles*

Wardad · #7 January 16th, 2004, 08:13 PM

I used the Subverter and Computer Virus in a GOLD PBW game. The results were not were not impressive.

The CV just stops the ships movement, but you have to get close to use it. The ship can still shoot even if it can't move. If the ship has the typical APB12 max range beam weapon, well it is still deadly, and your too close.

The CV may have some tactical applications, but for large fleets the hull space is better used for some more APB12s.

My game suffered partly because they changed the rules (revision upgrade) and killed the subverters advantage. It also suffrered because the racial points and research points are better used elsewhere.

I think that at one time, when the ship lost movement points (Br, ls, cq) it also lost some ability with weapons and shields. Maybe an earlier revision? Maybe SE3?