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[primitive]

My humble opinions.

Surrender; OK to the player who hammers you but only when you are truly done for (riot problems).
Make any (hopefully there will be none) early abandoned empires free game, but make it illegal to ask them for surrender.

Religious; I really don't care one way or the other. Just wanted to make a point of no *****ing (sorry Tesco ) by those brave souls that didn't take it. If we use a no Talisman mod, I may spend the 1500 points just for the Nature Shrine anyway.

I do like the no Training option (ban Advanced Mil. Science) but then we have to ban (or mod) Psychic too.

Turtling is for cowards. The Horde will always keep a door (or two) open. Beer and Pretzels for everyone.
(BTW: Beer is a class of Baseships, Pretzels are Dreads )

Don't like Spoo's idea of "view all scores" at all, but I would not have a problem with leaving the Position or even the Score viewable on PBW. Getting info about the other guys empires is half the fun.

And absolutely no "all systems can be seen by all players".

[Phoenix-D]

You can't just make it "illegal" for them to surrender because surrender can't be refused and the AI WILL surrender.

[Ragnarok]

Surrender; OK to the player who hammers you but only when you are truly done for (riot problems).
Make any (hopefully there will be none) early abandoned empires free game, but make it illegal to ask them for surrender.

I agree with this 100% but the point that P-D brings out comes into play here. If the AI surrenders then you have no choice but to accept it. Hopefully we won't have any problems with AI as long as everyone keeps with this game. But I think that if it comes down to someone needing to surrender then they should just gift all that they have to you. It shouldn't take but a few minutes to go through and be click-happy and select all their ships and planets. Whatever is left after that is open for all to plunder.

Religious; I would like more input still before final decision is made. I am sure some of us will take religious even if the talisman is taken out due to as Primitive brought out the Nature Shrine

I do like the no Training option (ban Advanced Mil. Science) but then we have to ban (or mod) Psychic too.

I may not be seeing something here. Why would we have to ban or mod Psychic if we ban Advanced Mil. Science? It's probably rather obvious but I just am not seeing it right now.

Don't like Spoo's idea of "view all scores" at all, but I would not have a problem with leaving the Position or even the Score viewable on PBW. Getting info about the other guys empires is half the fun.

I won't turn on the view all scores option. I do not like the fact that you can gain knowledge that detailed in-game. In this type of game you could end up using that to pick and choose who you can fight against and have a decent shot at winning.
I'm not sure about the position and score option being on on PBW even. I may end up turning that option on though.

And absolutely no "all systems can be seen by all players".

Agreed. This was a mistake that I made in RTH1 that I won't make again. The same is for saving the map, you were able to save the map and look at it to find out where all the sphereworlds were and so forth. Won't happen this time around.

[primitive]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

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I do like the no Training option (ban Advanced Mil. Science) but then we have to ban (or mod) Psychic too.

I may not be seeing something here. Why would we have to ban or mod Psychic if we ban Advanced Mil. Science? It's probably rather obvious but I just am not seeing it right now.

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The Psychic training facilities

They train all ships/fleets within the system and will still be available after Advanced Military Science is disabled.

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by primitive:
]The Psychic training facilities

They train all ships/fleets within the system and will still be available after Advanced Military Science is disabled.

Oh! Man, I guess that shows how long it has been since I have played with a Psychic race.

I think we will end up playing with a small mod for this game. Modding out the talisman (should that be the decision) so that the rest of the Religious tree is available for anyone to use. Also modding out the training centers in the Psychic tree as well.

[Spoo]

What's wrong with training? It's not that hard to keep track of with waypoints and such. Plus, If a player wants to be lazy they can just take Psychic.

If you take away Psychic's training facility, the trait becomes very poor.

I think we should deviate from a stock game as little as possible. Barring that, we should just switch to a full mod where issues like the Talisman have already been addressed.

[tesco samoa]

So the Last map... did not have see everything turned on... So you could not see the sphere worlds etc... That I know... Perhaps you were ancient..

I would rather keep the training in instead of a mod... I do not know why we would get rid of it.

I would rather have view own score all the time...

For the surreneder option... if you mark the player dead on PBW the computer will fight it out to the bitter end...

But truefully I think that if a player wishes to surreneder to a player they send that player and the game admin an email about it... If they all agree then surreneder. No one likes to stick around and waste time on a game when they are done. Very understandable. ( Or you could just mark the empire as dead ,,,, If you have the no surreneder option for the game turned on... So the player will still have to take the time to take out the computer player ... )


As for the Talisman... if we state no talisman and leave religous in... then the player cannot put it on their ships/units...

If they do then a good rule would be for the turn to be reset and all those ships and units must be gifted to the other player and then they scrap them... ( bonus of the resources )

A heafty price indeed for not following the rules... But I do not think it would be broken again.

The only problem there is a computer controled empire... But they are useless so they should not be a threat to the player anyways.


If were not playing stock..

How about the latest Version of the sweet mod... Which is being released this Friday..