OT- Rights in the USA and Canada and the world

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Originally posted by Rollo:
Communism doesn't have to be forced. That's my point.

unforced communism is socialism. that's my point.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Rollo:
Communism doesn't have to be forced. That's my point.

And that is true. In the smallest of environments, a commune (the source of the word, "communism") is usually a happily agreed-upon style of living. "We" tried it in the US during the Hippie days and it rarely (in actuality) ever worked. Why? Because human nature, IMHO, tends toward greed. To get MORE than they are entitled to...or to do less than they should to support the community.

[Roanon]

Originally posted by Rollo:
Communism doesn't have to be forced. That's my point.

Without force, you will not be able to keep the majority of people unhappy.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Roanon:

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Originally posted by Rollo:
Communism doesn't have to be forced. That's my point.

Without force, you will not be able to keep the majority of people unhappy.

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I have to disagree. Now...please understand...I know your country is Germany. And know this: If I had to live in another country besides the US, it would be a tough choice between Germany and Australia.

But, I disagree with the "force" comment. (unless "force" is a different definition)

To have a "successful" country, you need only keep the population happy enough to not revolt. That doesn't take force. It takes giving them things. If they have enough things to keep them happy, they will not revolt. Force, on the other hand, is only playing for time...sooner or later, there will be a revolt.

[Roanon]

Originally posted by Slynky:
it rarely (in actuality) ever worked. Why? Because human nature, IMHO, tends toward greed. To get MORE than they are entitled to...or to do less than they should to support the community.

Exactly. But greed is the main driving force of mankind. And this is not generally bad. Take away the greed, and humanity would still live in caves using stone tools (if at all).
Agreed, there should be regulations and limits, but the only way to make everyone communistically equal is to downgrade everything to the lowest possible level - and let it stay there. Communism = nice theorey, just sucks in reality.

[Slynky]

Roanon said, "Communism = nice theorey, just sucks in reality."

I think we agree! Sometimes, it sucks to admit humanity has built-in faults.

BTW, your English is wonderful! As good as Alneyan's.

[Roanon]

Originally posted by Slynky:
To have a "successful" country, you need only keep the population happy enough to not revolt. That doesn't take force. It takes giving them things. If they have enough things to keep them happy, they will not revolt.

Yep. This was something already known to the Romans - the emperors knew that the people needed nothing else than "panem et circenses" - bread and games.
Problem with communism, you cannot give under such a system, only deny. Because it is easy to deny equally, but giving has to start somewhere, to come from somewhere i.e. something has to be developed somewhere. This would mean unequality, or "greedy taking more than they are entitled to" somewhere. And this would be in contrast to basic communistic principles.