OT- Rights in the USA and Canada and the world

[Slynky]

Roanon said, "Communism = nice theorey, just sucks in reality."

I think we agree! Sometimes, it sucks to admit humanity has built-in faults.

BTW, your English is wonderful! As good as Alneyan's.

[Roanon]

Originally posted by Slynky:
To have a "successful" country, you need only keep the population happy enough to not revolt. That doesn't take force. It takes giving them things. If they have enough things to keep them happy, they will not revolt.

Yep. This was something already known to the Romans - the emperors knew that the people needed nothing else than "panem et circenses" - bread and games.
Problem with communism, you cannot give under such a system, only deny. Because it is easy to deny equally, but giving has to start somewhere, to come from somewhere i.e. something has to be developed somewhere. This would mean unequality, or "greedy taking more than they are entitled to" somewhere. And this would be in contrast to basic communistic principles.

[tesco samoa]

Slynky... I am sorry I did not say you were country bashing.... Maybe I need a few more returns between those sentances

I was just reminding posters what the intent of the thread was.

Roanon.

I disagree with you in the greed concept. And I also agree with you. If that makes you go Huh!

I used to think it was just greed.

But I believe that it is the quest of Standard of Living.

People wish to live their lives where they can see that their standard of living increases from year to year.

This includes material goods, shelter, food , stability and level of comfort.

With this thought think about those 5 key areas. There is greed involved there. Yes but it is just part of the puzzle.

We have never seen a Marxist Version of Communisim. For the conditions to trigger/evoluve (from a marxist point of view) this have never been met.

But if you take a Marxist point of view and apply it to the 5 key areas that societies strive towards this Version of Communisim could happen with the different levels of greed that people do have.

For greed to truely kill a system everyone should have an equal level of greed. But that is not the case as its the standard of living that is the goal. This is why we have seen the many types of goverments in the 20th century and the reason they flurish and decline.

Well thats what I think. And I do believe it ties into a persons rights within what ever country they live in.

Would you ( anyone ) choose a high standard of living over personal freedoms within a nation and the personal freedoms of others in other nations?

It is a tough question to answer. And one where I have not answered yet. And one that is not cut and dry. Perhaps I do not want to answer it, but I also do not want the question answered for me

[Baron Munchausen]

greed (noun)

An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth: “Many... attach to competition the stigma of selfish greed” (Henry Fawcett).

(American Heritage Dictionary, emphasis added)

There is a difference between desire for property, security, and advancement and greed...

[EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro]

I just thought Communism was an economic system. Didn't Lenin originally want basic freedoms for his people?
Look at China now. Free enterprise style of economy but a totalitarian form of government.

I'm really scared for this country. Erosion of the middle class, clampdown of our constituional rights. I'm afraid we're heading for a two class system. Filthy rich business owners and semi rich technicians and the working poor. If you keep Playstations affordable the lower class won't rebel (modern day Version of the Roman Coloseum games) And if you do get uppity enough and ***** about "your place" in society, it's off to prison for you!

DYSLEXICS OF AMERICA UNTIE!

[Slynky]

Originally posted by EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro:
I just thought Communism was an economic system. Didn't Lenin originally want basic freedoms for his people?
Look at China now. Free enterprise style of economy but a totalitarian form of government.

I'm really scared for this country. Erosion of the middle class, clampdown of our constituional rights. I'm afraid we're heading for a two class system. Filthy rich business owners and semi rich technicians and the working poor. If you keep Playstations affordable the lower class won't rebel (modern day Version of the Roman Coloseum games) And if you do get uppity enough and ***** about "your place" in society, it's off to prison for you!

DYSLEXICS OF AMERICA UNTIE!

I think you said what I said with more words...

As I said, "Give the population just enough to keep them from revolting."

A good analgy, though...the games in the collosium.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

i always liked 'ANARCHISTS UNITE!', if your looking for an ironical slogan.