OT: Election 2004

[Atrocities]

No one can deny that Bush used fear to garner support for the war effort against Iraq. No one can deny that the Bush administration tried to say that people taking burger flipper jobs was an increase in the Manufacturing Job Market. No one can deny that Bush has done nothing about the loss of US jobs as companies in the US fire employees here and move their jobs to China, Mexico, and other.

However, Iraq had to be delt with before it did become a problem. Of this we can all agree. The method for getting the job done has left a bad tast in many of peoples mouths, but the job has been done. The ends do not justify the means however we are all better off now than we would be if we left Saddam in control.

The US economy has been recovering nicely, but Job growth has remained flat. This is the first time in history that this has ooccured and it is not do to Bush's economics. This is the result of Clintonomics and even CNN has achknowledged this as a fact.

Its the mistrust of the public that has hurt President Bush. Even though he may have lied, and yes, I do believe that at times things have to be done in order to get things done, but when its all said and done, step up to the bat and stand your ground. Bush has done this somewhat and I will continue to support him.

Kerry is a good man, but I simply do not trust him at this point. I feel that he is not the right man for the job this late in the game. Perhaps in 2008.

Right now we need to ride out this storm with the captain we currently have. That way when the Democrats take office in 2008, they can take credit for the economic boom that will occur as a result of Bush's economic plans just like Mr. Clinton did over the benefits of Reganomics.

This is how the game is played, and I hope that, no I pray that things improve and who ever wins in Novemeber, my rights will remain intacted, I have money in my pocket to spend, and food on my table.

If Bush really wants to win this election he needs to do two things right now. One sanction companies that send US jobs abroad and sanction the Gas and Oil companies for this price gouging we are now all forced to endure.

And I have to be honest, Kerry using the JFK intials is just plan bad politics and in bad taste. His name might share the intials of JFK, but he NOT JFK.

[Captain Kwok]

The current U.S. administration thrives on fear and uses it as their primary tool to keep their hold on power. Just look at their ads and campaigning - "Terror this or terror that", "if someone else was in power then your taxes will go up" or "they'd be soft on terrorism and you'll die in a horrible bombing." and things of that sort.

Here are some things consider for the election:

Current Budget Defecit

Misinformation about Iraq. If they had just come out and said, Saddam is a bad dude and the Iraqi people need to be liberated - it might have been a bit better. But no, they created the illusion of imminent danger (i.e. WMD) when there was clearly none while ticking off most other countries in the process. And when that didn't work out too well - it was like well we freed the Iraqi people and got rid of Saddam - the world is now safer. However, hasn't the whole Iraq mess just turned Iraq into a new terrorism breeding ground and further decreased stability in the region? What about addressing Saudi Arabia as a major sponsor (albeit silent) of terrorism?

Foreign Policy. What can I say other than Bill Maher's synopsis "Operation: Piss Off the Planet" - there's just not anything being done on a diplomatic front to make things better for the future. The actions of the U.S. right now have just fueled the fire for more anti-U.S. crazies and their "causes". This is sort of like addressing crime by only increasing police and their budgets while not working in the communities to address poverty and other social problems that are the primary factors for crime. The situation will never really improve and the residents will feel oppressed, but at least they can justity their spending (hey, that's just like the drug war isn't it?).

Bush isn't such a bad guy on his own, but I do worry about his sidekick Cheney and his shady dealings with his former company Haliburton, also Enron, and other energy matters.

Environmental record? Nothing but loosening up pollution regulations for big corps and exploiting protected wildlife areas for more fossil fuels.

The economy is doing ok because of the whole war side effect, but where it will be afterwards? The rate of good jobs leaving the country are staggering to say the least! What kind of replacement jobs are in line? Mostly low-waged service sector jobs. The corporations have these guys in their pockets. It's most unfortunate, and it's also a problem that is happening where I live too.

I'm not a huge Kerry fan either (you guys really need a third viable option there rather than republican/democrat all the time!) but I think he'd be the lesser of two evils. There needs to be at least a fresh approach to the problems that you guys are having.

Anyways, I'm just glad that I get more than just the proto-typical US news here, it really makes a difference!

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Oops, forgot to mention:

The US already owns Canada, so invading you would be pointless.

Aww, and here I thought the u.s. was the whole world! My, your shrinking.

[Renegade 13]

Originally posted by Klvino [ORB]:
Militant Canadians, that's just not right.

Muahahahahahahahahaha.....

Anyways I just speak for myself. And since when is self-defense militaristic?

[Atrocities]

Very well said CK. It is a sad day when Canadians know more about the political structure of the USA then most Americans.

Come to think about it, who runs Canada?

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by Renegade 13:

quote:

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Originally posted by Klvino [ORB]:
Militant Canadians, that's just not right.

And since when is self-defense militaristic?

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Since the people invading you control the media.

[eol]

ahhh..nothing like a political thread to stir up folks passions. Just some minor comments:

Atrocities quote "However, Iraq had to be delt with before it did become a problem. Of this we can all agree”

I think plenty of people disagree with this statement, myself included. There are bigger threats to the US and the world that Saddam. How about a regime change in Israel or China for one. China is an upcoming superpower, need them nipped in the butt. Put China on a 100 year time line and they will be the new USSR in scope of power. As for Israel, if we just quit supporting their facist regime, we would see a significant decline in the amount of Islamic terrorism directed at the US. Let get realistic here, Iraq posed no threat to US long term interests. No more than Cuba or Libya does. Hell, Canada could do greater damage to the US than Iraq. As the US's largest trading partner, if they closed their borders tomorrow, our economy would collapse. What threat was Iraq ever to us? None. We got Saddam so he couldn't nuke Israel. USA == zionist puppets and has been since the '40's.

But enough of that and on to the bigger issue, the one that forces me to vote for Kerry (I voted for Bush in '00). The DNC is setting Kerry up to lose. They are pushing him solely to make it look like they fought the good fight. The fact is they need him to lose so Hillary can win in '08. We all know the Republicans will not take three terms in a row. If Kerry takes '04, that puts Hillary out of the whitehouse forever. Kerry would rerun in '08. That would push Hillary to '12 if Republicans took '08. If Kerry took '08, would push Hillary out to '16 as no way in hell Democrats would get three terms in a row (ala Gore losing '00 after 8 years of Clinton). Hillary will be to old to run in '16. Kerry winning '04 kills any chance for a presidential bid from her. A vote for Kerry '04 is a vote against Hillary in '08. Vote Kerry.

I don't like Kerry or trust the man, but I despise Hillary. Kerry, like Bush, is a member of Skull and Bones. I find it odd that both the president and democratic front runner belong to the same secret society. From a lifestyle point of view, Bush is better for my economic future. As an Ex-Pat, I could care less about civil liberties or terrorist attacks in the US, I don't live there anymore. Only part of US law that really effects me (or any Ex-Pat for that matter) anymore is US tax law. Bush is very good for that. But sometimes you have to sacrifice for the greater good and keeping Hillary out of the whitehouse is exactly that.