Russia new wonder weapon?

[Atrocities]

Here are our options. If the Russians or any other country with nuke and ICBM technology invents a way to avoid our defense systems, we HIT THEM NOW AND WE HIT THEM HARD!

The only thing keeping us alive is our ability to dish out severe punishement while blocking most of theirs. Once that is gone, it is open season on the USA.

This is very very bad mojo for us.

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Here are our options. If the Russians or any other country with nuke and ICBM technology invents a way to avoid our defense systems, we HIT THEM NOW AND WE HIT THEM HARD!

The only thing keeping us alive is our ability to dish out severe punishement while blocking most of theirs. Once that is gone, it is open season on the USA.

This is very very bad mojo for us.

So what you are saying is that Russia should nuke the USA now before they develop the Star wars defence system?? Becourse when the US gets the ICBM defence system it will be open season on Russia??
Scary!!!

I don't think the Russians want a nuclear war anymore than the US, so even if they have a defence against ICBM'S they wouldn't think of attacking the US.

[ March 31, 2004, 09:19: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[Timstone]

Come on guys, grow up! This not the Cold War anymore.

*puches sarcastic speech-button*
Besides we already know America is the best country in the world with the best army in the world.
And we all know you can't win guerilla battles; Vietnam anyone?
*Pushes sarcastic speech-button agian*

I hope I haven't stepped on too many toes...

Edit: typo's!

[ March 31, 2004, 09:42: Message edited by: Timstone ]

[Atrocities]

*Never take me seriously*

F***** dial up!

[ March 31, 2004, 09:50: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Timstone]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
*Never take me seriously*

F***** dial up!

And those nifty orbital lasers Bush wants up in the sky?
Hahaha... the Star Wars programs was one of the biggest defence mistakes of all time. Man the huge amount of money that program gobbled. Unbelievable.

Edit: Hey! I quoted a different post from Atrocities! Ah well, you get it.

[ March 31, 2004, 09:53: Message edited by: Timstone ]

[Yef]

Originally posted by Timstone:

Come on guys, grow up! This not the Cold War anymore.

*puches sarcastic speech-button*
Besides we already know America is the best country in the world with the best army in the world.
And we all know you can't win guerilla battles; Vietnam anyone?
*Pushes sarcastic speech-button agian*

Not really. A guerrilla war can be won. The ones that can't be won that easily are the terrorist wars. Since modern guerrilla warfare have evolved into hybrid Terror-Guerrilla tactics, then you need a convination of counter-guerrilla and counter-terrorists tactics to fight it.
The thing its, of course, that counter-guerrilla and counter-terrorists tactics don't match. One annul the benefits of the other.

To explain how all this work its to complicated, and I know that people that haven't served in the military always confuse both kind of unconventional warfare, but just as a quick example, in a counter-guerrilla war you try to win the population over at whatever the price, you invest heavily on the pop while negating those investments to the guerrillas, invesments as school, hospitals and so on, which are used as propaganda tools by the guerrillas as proof that they can serve the Pop better than the goverment.
Captured guerrillas are to be treaty well, so the guerrilla myth about goverment brutality are uncovered as such. The objectives of counter-guerrila war are:
1- Alienate the guerrilla from the local population.
2- Eliminate the cause roots promoting popular support for the guerrilla.
3- Convince the population of the evilness of the guerrilla. (i.e. through black ops like faking guerrilla manuals with a section on seducing local girls or setting forth techniques for torturing village leaders)
4- To take strategic initiative from the guerrilla, so they have to either defend or evacute. (guerrillas are ussually very bad on the defensive)
5- Demoralize the guerrilla. (Black ops can convince the guerrillas that they have been infiltrated by spies from the govt. which often results in large numbers of loyal guerrillas being killed and mistrust being sewn among the reminder.)
6- Defeat the guerrilla militarily.


On a counter-terrorist war, however, you can't win the pop over because the objectives of the war are diferent. Its not about defeating a goverment or ocupaying power militarily, but about cowering that power through terror to surrender or evacuate.
That means that in a counter-terrorists war your only objective are the terrorists themselves. You got to take them out, especialy the leadership, cutting the head of the snake, and try to make sure it doesn't grow back.
Any measure you take to win the population over in this case will inevitable backfire.
Terrorist Groups also require far less personal to carry out their attacks, which add to their stealthyness. They use suicide bombers, which leave no operative to be captured and interrogated. Terrorist use urban terrain as thheir theatre of operations. Its not casuality that....(ill continue later

[Timstone]

Nice synopsis. Great research. Two thumbs up for you!
But with guerilla warfare I mean playing hide and seek in a concrete jungle (of a green jungle for that matter). It is so incredible hard to track down every single member of the group. It might take a decade to eradicate the entire group. And yes, you can do that with the methodes which you describe. And even than you don't always have a 100% succesrate.
In open warfare the USA ís the most difficult opponent of all. Quite simply; you have the most sophisticated army around.
So I meant the sneaking around, not the guerilla warfare definition.
After all, I'm just a stupid civvie.