OT: Atrocities

[Atrocities]

After seeing the footage and such, I was shocked and appauled at what they were doing. Who in their right mind would for an instant believe that that kind of miss conduct would be acceptable?

They desearve to be court marsheled and sent to Lebonsworth for a good long while for that. Terrorist or not, POW or not, NO ONE has the right to do what they did to another human being. Totaly inapproprate.

EDIT:

I must also say that what the Iraqis are doing to the people they kidnap is most distrubing, far more so than what has happened in the prisons. I feel that the only thing people like that understand is force. Unfortunetly far to many inocent victims must pay the price for ending the violence.

[ May 03, 2004, 22:27: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Krsqk]

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Sorry for this completely OT twist to this OT post, but I found this amusing. Not that the on-topic OT is amusing in the least, but I'll take the humor wherever I find it.

Back on topic (well, kinda):

Discipline--there are three kinds. Self-discipline, preventative external discipline, and reactive external discipline. The more of the first you have, the less of the second and third you'll need. Originally, the first type held society together. Now, most Americans (and many non-Americans, it seems) have little to no self-discipline. For a time, the second type held society together; then those accustomed to allowing themselves to do what they wish rationalized away preventative discipline (i.e., structure, standards, expected norms). Now, even reactive discipline (i.e., punishment) has been greatly weakened. Prison time is a thing of the past if you have a glib enough lawyer; you need psychiatric evaluation and counselling and "reform," not punishment, because you can't really be held responsible.

If those guilty of prisoner abuse in Iraq had self-discipline, they would not have done this. If their commanders had enough preventative discipline, these men would not have dared to do this. As it is, we now have to see the reactive discipline.

Thus endeth the sermonette for the evening.

[EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro]

Do you get the feeling that the Military Intelligence personnel think their accountable to no one. I like that excuse that they weren't trained in Geneva Convention protocols. Neither was I and I know what's right and wrong. Hope this isn't the tip of the iceberg.

[Captain Kwok]

I'm just curious to why they would be taping these things in the first place? In the entire history of video cameras - secret tapes with things you wouldn't want other people to see - always get found...

[narf poit chez BOOM]

It's to easy to hate.

[Baron Munchausen]

Originally posted by EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro:
Do you get the feeling that the Military Intelligence personnel think their accountable to no one. I like that excuse that they weren't trained in Geneva Convention protocols. Neither was I and I know what's right and wrong. Hope this isn't the tip of the iceberg.

This is in fact the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118958,00.html

Also, I was listening to the 'Diane Rheim Show' on NPR this morning and they had an investigative reporter who is following this as a guest. He said that people he has talked to are indicating a huge mass of material yet to come out. And not only have they got pictures, they've got video tapes of people being abused.

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A summary
This goes all the way to the top. Trying to pin this on a few rank and file soldiers won't fool anyone.
When are you guys going to wake up ?