Do we really want to get into this again? I'm gonna try and limit my comments right now since I'm in a foul mood and might say something I'd regret. Suffice it to say that I stand by my reasoning, which, by the way, I stated clearly, multiple times, and publicly. Your continued accusations run the chance of spoiling the game overall and have other overtones as well.
Perhaps I made the wrong choice. I already apologized. But I made the choice based on the idea that I did not want to upset the geopolitical/strategic or roleplaying aspects of the game by my leaving. Merging the number two empire with the Last (or nearly Last) place empire who was an ally from the earliest turns of the game and was interspersed with mine seemed a clear way to do it. The result was an unchanged geopolitical situation that was in tune with historical and roleplaying considerations.
The decision to "upset the game" was not made by me, but, instead, by those powers who apparently immediately attacked what my former empire. Oh, and did I mention that those powers are the ost powerful in the game (numbers one and three and on down, IIRC). No problem with such an attack, but to then go on and complain that the entire situation was "unfair" seems more than a bit like sour grapes, no?
Frankly, I was not "tired" of the game, I quite enjoyed the 101 game. As I mentioned many times I NEEDED to quit. Over the past month I have gotten out of 4 of my ten games for the exact same reasons.
Ok, just to go on, cause I'm getting worked up here, since you brought up the host bit, I was not the original host of the game. If you'll remember, the game had effectively died when the former host up and bailed. I took over the reins to keep it going. I have NO idea why the fact that I am host of the game matters one whit for this issue, but you brought it up.
More: you didn;t seem to have a problem with the Dei-O surrendering to the RCC earlier? So, the discussion of "surrender shouldn't be allowed anyways" is a bit disengenous.
The heck with it, I'll keep going, why stop now?
You further intimated that I ceded the RCC to Thermolia becuase perhaps I knew him in real life. At the time I was too p*ssed off to really respond but I can do so now. I do NOT know this thermolian character. I have NEVER cheated in a game (which is what you're implying) - EVER - and the intimation that I have is, frankly, reprehensible. Of course, I have no way of proving that, but neither do I feel a need to (I've already laid out my reasoning for what I did many times, and I stand by it - while admitting that I might have done it better)
In fact, let me apologize again for the manner in which I made the decision and the way in which I implemented it. Clearly I could have done those parts better. But, neither will I repudiate what I did becuase I think it was in keeping with the strategic, geogrpahical, historical, and roleplaying aspects of the game. I did not want to quit the game, and in retrospect, I should have let the AI or another player take it over. Had I done so, I'm pretty convinced that RCC would have still been attacked by Cyber et al, but whatever.
So, go ahead and yell "poor playmanship" if you feel you must, but I think it's pretty clearly sour grapes and not based on an objective assessment of my reasoning. Yes, I should have let the AI take over and for that I apologize. But just the same, I am pretty insulted by the accusation.
Toodle-oo.
EDIT: I should probabably have posted that in a private message, my apologies for cluttering up the forum for everyone else. BUT, I wanted to giver everyone the option to spout off about my actions if they felt like it. If I well and truly did p*ss everyone off, I'd prefer to hear about it not so I can avoid it in the future.
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Originally posted by Wardad:
OOC:
This whole Empire Gift affair is an example of poor playmanship.
Some hosts say that surrender should go to the empire that does the most damage. Other hosts don't allow surrender and require turning the empire over to the AI. Still there are others that allow surrender. It is a matter of the house rules, and this game had no surrender rules.
BUT... The wholesale gifting of a major and playable empire is simply over the top. Especially when a large part of that empire was taken in surrender, due to a coalition action.
And especially when the gift giver is the host, and tired of the game.
Why could he not do the normal thing, turn it over to the AI and find a replacement player?
IC:
The Thermolian Empire will be punished for accepting the gift. RCC will be punished by having their former empire torn apart.
Standby and continue in peace.
Join the effort and share the spoils.
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[ July 27, 2004, 17:50: Message edited by: alarikf ]
Re: Space Empires 101 - Galactic Council
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