OT: Star Trek: Enterprise

Atrocities · #1 July 30th, 2004, 12:01 AM

ST: ToS
was, is and always will be the best (AGREED)

ST: TnG
Had some good stuff, all in all not a bad series (AGREED)

ST: DS9
Like TnG it had some good stuff, but I was not fond of the ST series loosing the "Boldly go where no man has gone before." aspect. (GREAT SHOW, BORNING AT TIMES)

ST: Voyager
A nice twist on the ST theme,.. "To Boldly go home." I liked this series almost as much as the original. (UTTER BANTHA POODOO - NO CONTINUITY AT ALL. TO MANY HOLES OT MENTION.)

ST: Enterprise
Is a piece of bantha poodoo. From the first show it went downhill, and it pretty much started at the bottom,(imho) so it's amazing it didn't get better. First BIG mistake, changing the main theme music/song. (what's up with that?) Second mistake, I couldn't wrap my mind around the crapy cast and acting. The only saving grace is T'pal. The actress made for a very convincing Vulcan. (Spock would be proud) Nuf said,.. (THE SERIES IS OK, THE STUFF THAT HURTS IT ARE THE AKIRAPRIZE, BRANDON BRAGA, TEMPERAL COLD WAR, THE ROMULANS, NO CONTINUITY TO TOS, AND REHASED WRITING.)

[ July 29, 2004, 23:02: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

SkyMarshall Jim · #2 July 30th, 2004, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:
ST: ToS
was, is and always will be the best (AGREED)

ST: TnG
Had some good stuff, all in all not a bad series (AGREED)

ST: DS9
Like TnG it had some good stuff, but I was not fond of the ST series loosing the "Boldly go where no man has gone before." aspect. (GREAT SHOW, BORNING AT TIMES)

ST: Voyager
A nice twist on the ST theme,.. "To Boldly go home." I liked this series almost as much as the original. (UTTER BANTHA POODOO - NO CONTINUITY AT ALL. TO MANY HOLES OT MENTION.)

ST: Enterprise
Is a piece of bantha poodoo. From the first show it went downhill, and it pretty much started at the bottom,(imho) so it's amazing it didn't get better. First BIG mistake, changing the main theme music/song. (what's up with that?) Second mistake, I couldn't wrap my mind around the crapy cast and acting. The only saving grace is T'pal. The actress made for a very convincing Vulcan. (Spock would be proud) Nuf said,.. (THE SERIES IS OK, THE STUFF THAT HURTS IT ARE THE AKIRAPRIZE, BRANDON BRAGA, TEMPERAL COLD WAR, THE ROMULANS, NO CONTINUITY TO TOS, AND REHASED WRITING.)

ST: Voyager, the ship design stunk.

Renegade 13 · #3 July 30th, 2004, 03:47 AM

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
...NO CONTINUITY TO TOS...

Continuity to TOS...well to be honest, it's impossible. Does anyone else remember TOS episode where the Enterprise was hijacked by aliens, and taken towards another galaxy?? And the ship ended up doing like, warp 14 or 16 or something? Now, ever since TOS, there's been the arbitrary limit of warp 9.99 for a top speed (at least, up until Voyager, which of course had an episode where they broke that barrier, and travelled warp 10...but got some very odd side effects

) So the continuity has been shot ever since TNG began.

Baron Munchausen · #4 July 30th, 2004, 04:39 AM

There are loads of continuity errors, but that isn't one of them.

The warp drive scale was 'adjusted' sometime in the decades prior to the TNG era. In TOS era used to be the cube of the warp factor was the number of times the speed of light you were moving. In the TNG era it's 3.3 instead of a flat 3, which already skews it so that Warp 9 in the new scale is much faster than Warp 9 in the old scale. But they also added some sort of 'open ended' asymptotic curve for speeds over Warp 9 so you really couldn't ever reach Warp 10.

But it's true that the Trek universe is a hopeless mess as far as internal consistency of science and technology. Paramount actually writes scripts based on story ideas and then asks technical 'consultants' make up the technology issues to fit the story!

Atrocities · #5 July 30th, 2004, 05:44 AM

In Voyager they once broke warp 10 and as a result Paris and the Captain turned into creatures and mated thus starting a new race of beings. UTTER CRAP! Episodes like these just made me sick.

As Warp engines improve, the scale changes. Eventually the scale will factor Transwarp into the equation.

Warp 1 - 9.9999999999999999999999999999999999999
Transwarp would be Warp 10 to 13.99999999999999999

Atrocities · #6 July 30th, 2004, 05:47 AM

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Originally posted by Renegade 13:

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
...NO CONTINUITY TO TOS...

Continuity to TOS...well to be honest, it's impossible. Does anyone else remember TOS episode where the Enterprise was hijacked by aliens, and taken towards another galaxy?? And the ship ended up doing like, warp 14 or 16 or something? Now, ever since TOS, there's been the arbitrary limit of warp 9.99 for a top speed (at least, up until Voyager, which of course had an episode where they broke that barrier, and travelled warp 10...but got some very odd side effects ) So the continuity has been shot ever since TNG began.

This had to do with the Warp Scales that Baron mentioned. Remember the TOS episode where the travler took the Enterprise D to speeds beyond their ability to measure? Warp barrier is just an arbatrary thing. Its like saying cars will never be able to go faster than 100 mph, then 200 mph, and so on. Hey what is the new land speed record now? Isn't it like 320 mph or something?

Fyron · #7 July 30th, 2004, 06:15 AM

Nope. Someone built a rocket car that broke the sound barrier a few years back, and he didn't die.