MP Game - Graeme's New Game

[Tuidjy]

If it is not too late, I'd like to play Marignon.
I have never played them, but Hell, I'd like to
give them a try :-)

[Reverend Zombie]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:

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Originally posted by Reverend Zombie:
how does one e-mail a Pretender? (i.e., where do I find a Pretender in the Dominions2 folder?)

It is in the newlords directory, as the .2h file with the name of your nation.

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Thanks!

[Wendigo]

To cheat is to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice, or to practice fraud or trickery.

With such a broad definition of cheating any single lie/backstab in diplomacy would qualify as tricking the opposition, and ergo 'cheating'. That would be ridiculous.

Equaling cheating to 'breaking the game rules' makes much more sense in our context as gamers.

A player's identity is not in-game information about the strength of a nation or alliances.

Yet when the game was created it was not requested that every player should reveal his personal information, players joined using their aliases instead. Thus, no rule was broken by hidding this, nor had he any obligation to reveal it just because an opponent asked.

Cheating is part of personal ethics. You cannot separate the two.

Of course you can separate personnal ethics & cheating.

Setting up a big alliance to gang on a neighbour 6 on 1 giving him no chance is something I would not be confortable with ethic-wise, yet it would not be cheating. Conversely, if I am the one in the receiving end of such alliance I will moan & ***** a bit about unfairness, but I will not call my opponents cheaters.

[Sly Frog]

Originally posted by Wendigo:
[QB] Yet you are. And with those personal attacks you are not only soiling his reputation, but yours also. You could have simply said 'I have no fun playing with NF' instead of insulting him, by calling him a cheater.

I think this is a little unfair to Graeme. I read the thread from the first post forward. It's pretty clear that Norfleet knew that he was not wanted (or at least should have known based on the other threads he's participated in, where he was told he was not wanted). Then, like a pretentious smart ***, he tried to take a side in Graeme's game. I was expecting a big blow out fight, but in fact, all Graeme did was ignore Norfleet, setting up a nation list that did not include him. It was only after Graeme was specifically called out that he gave his reasoning; he did not want to play with a cheater.

I'm actually suprised at Graeme's restraint, and think he handled it pretty well. If you want him to lie as to why he does not want to play with Norfleet when he is asked, that's your concern.

[PvK]

I agree that "cheating" in a game context implies breaking the rules or abusing the computer program or data. Something along those lines.

I can understand not wanting players to take diplomatic deception to extremes that extend to multiple identities, chat and email and out-of-character deceptions, I think "cheating" implies something else (unless the game had explicit rules against such things).

PvK

[Cheezeninja]

Can we all just admit that everyone has valid and differing opinions on this subject, and thus prevent the hijacking of yet another thread?

[Wendigo]

Originally posted by Sly Frog:
I think this is a little unfair to Graeme. It was only after Graeme was specifically called out that he gave his reasoning; he did not want to play with a cheater.

While I chose to dive in quoting a post by Graeme it doesn't mean that I dislike him & want to engage in a flame fest with him, much the contrary, I actually have a good opinion on the guy.

But that opinion has been lessened by seeing him joining in this 'holier than thou' crussade of insulting Norfleet every now and then.

I'm actually suprised at Graeme's restraint, and think he handled it pretty well. If you want him to lie as to why he does not want to play with Norfleet when he is asked, that's your concern.

You are reading too much. I do not want him to lie, I would have said nothing if he simply had stated 'I do not like you & thus do not want you in my game'.

But I am tired of seeing posters calling Norfleet names which are totally undeserved with the info we have at hand. Graeme is not the only one who has done this, but kind of resurected it.