Intergalactic Civil War !!??

Sirkit · #1 April 9th, 2001, 04:52 PM

Inter galactic civil war, ok chewie put me down as a huge YES!!

chewy027 · #2 April 9th, 2001, 07:08 PM

Mac, again thanks for the great suggestions I'll upgrade the overview

Sirkit I'll post your vote in the vote thread unless you want to do it yourself

At least i'll upgrade the vote overview.

Thanks for the feedback

chewy027 · #3 April 9th, 2001, 07:19 PM

Something I just thought of. Do moons rebel along with their orbiting planet or are they treated seperately?

OK Mac so lets say there is a small empire with 20 planets instead of saying -10 lets say up to 25% of the empire (5 planets) could break away. And give a percentege to each size empire as to how many could break away. Is this what you had in mind?

Thoughts on the above questions?

Puke · #4 April 9th, 2001, 08:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by chewy027:
Something I just thought of. Do moons rebel along with their orbiting planet or are they treated seperately?

seperate. at least thats the way it works now.

how about balkanization of empires? as a varaition of civil war where 1 large chunk of your empire breaks off, what if you had 50-75% of it break of into 10-20 little chunks?

i think its fairly clear that break away pieces of an empire in this game are not a real space borne threat, but they are really a hassle for the lost resources. as far as the balkan thing goes, it would be more effective if those factions concentrated all their resources on planetary defense WPs / Sats / Troops / local mines. they know they cant win a space war, but darn if they wont preserve their way of life! this would be much more effective coupled with penalties for orbital bombardmant. the lost facil/pop/10% resource penalty is good, but maybe a trade loss with your neighbors or something, or empire wide happyness hit (oh my god, we're bombing our own people?!)

chewy027 · #5 April 10th, 2001, 01:03 AM

Puke you don't think a large chunk of your empire splitting off could be a real threat?
To me a bunch of non-cooperating little factions would be easier to take back.

What does everyone else think?

BTY have you voted yet?

Marco · #6 April 10th, 2001, 09:36 AM

I like the concepts but I not agree with all the suggestions.
From Trachmyr's post:
In 1)and 2)I think this random event should trigger only the possibility of a general revolt, not automatically request the joining of rioting/angry planets and that would be influenced by the presence of loyal forces and ships in the system apart from the rebelling planet.
4)I Think the conVersion of only 1 planet is not enough for the check for adjacents system: a system would be claimed by the new empire only if at least half the number of colonized planets joins the new empire.
From Mac5732's post:
I don't agree with the automatic drop of attitude every fixed number of turn for non rebelling planets.
From other ideas:
I don't like:
1)Beaucause this should cause only rebelling planets if they aren't in the same system.
2)Only with very restrictive limitations about location of planets and "loyal" forces available in the others conquered planets.
4)Only for regional capitals beaucause I think this concept would be hardly well handled by the AI.
Triggers:
I dont like:
2)Beaucause I think automatical break away should be not requested.
3) I think the rioting planets needs to be localized in the same region of the empire (i.e. in adjacents systems).
4)I disagree at most: you're evil for the others empires , non for your people.

Sorry for my bad english.

jc173 · #7 April 10th, 2001, 10:27 AM

Couple of ideas, well more like one idea and another comment.
If a non-blood thirsty emires glasses one of its old planets which has rebelled, this should trigger some sort of happiness penalty which if we're basing this civil war idea off of happiness sort of, should increase the chance of other planets to rebel. Granted along with this we need for the AI to remember which planets it used to own and have AI's take appropriate actions based on their play style, ie some empire may just blockade the world, most should try to retake the planet with ground forces, the very aggressive/angry AI's should just bLast the planet into cinders.

I still don't agree with MEE always triggering a delayed rebellion, for non-bloodthirsty empires. The citizens may end up with a serious of sense of righteousness even if it's a peaceful empire, ie we're a peaceful people all we did was expand our colonies, who are they to declare war on us?!? etc. Depending on how wars go sometimes they may engender a sense of nationalism(empirism?) in the general populace, especially if you're winning, which may be the case if you are MEE since you are supposed to be ahead of the other players.

Just my thoughts.