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[Maelstorm]

Originally posted by Pocus:
[you cant even spell Maelstrom correctly, so it is no wonder you are so void of knowledge.

Haha, poor fella you have no idea, that what 'Maelstorm' is, right? You shouldn't post crap, when you know nothing.

Teutonic Knight
Member of a German Christian military order, the Knights of the Teutonic Order, founded in 1190 by Hermann of Salza in Palestine. They crusaded against the pagan Prussians and Lithuanians from 1228 and controlled Prussia until the 16th century. Their capital was Marienburg (now Malbork, Poland).
The Teutonic Knights were originally members of the German aristocracy who founded an order of hospitallers in Acre 1190 and became a military order in 1198. They wore white robes with black crosses. They were based in Palestine until 1268 when they were expelled by the Mamelukes (rulers of Egypt), after which they concentrated on taking Roman Catholicism into Eastern Europe under the control of the pope. They were prevented from expanding into Russia by Alexander Nevski at the battle of Lake Peipus in 1243, but they ruthlessly colonized Prussia in 122683. By the 15th century, pressure from neighbouring powers and the decline of the crusader ideal led to their containment within eastern Prussia. Their influence ended in 1525 when their grand master Albert of Brandenburg was converted to Lutheranism and declared Prussia to be a secular duchy.

As for the supposed weakness of germanic tribes, just type Arausio or Teutobourg in a search engine. You will understand why Germania Magna was never occupied by Rome.

edit : just in case... Arausio is in France, but the defeat was inflicted by german people.

The teutonic knights...Eh lol, their 'empire' was weak compared to the other European powers, also their military was weak as well.

As for the germanic tribes....

"..During the third and fourth centuries, there were large migrations of land-hungry Germans southward and westward onto the Rhine-Danube Frontier..

..Attila, King and the mighty warlord of the Huns. Succeeding in 433 to the kingship of Scythian hordes disorganized and enfeebled by internal discords, Attila soon made of his subjects a compact and formidable people, the terror of Europe and Asia. An unsuccessful campaign in Persia was followed in 441 by an invasion of the Eastern Roman Empire, the success of which emboldened Attila to invade the West. He passed unhindered through Austria and Germany, across the Rhine into Gaul, plundering and devastating all in his path with a ferocity unparalleled in the records of barbarian invasions and compelling those he overcame to augment his mighty army..."

If you know history, you should know, that all germanic tribes were the slaves of the Huns, just for example. The Huns didnt massacred them all, because they were using the germans as slave soldiers in their armies.
Is this a glorious past you say? Ehehe...
{Many Germans fled to the west}

"..The Huns not only slaughtered their enemies, but forced the ones allowed to live to serve in their armies. As a result after pillaging the European domains of the Eastern Empire and extracting an increased subsidy, Attila turned west, in p;art because of the powerful defensive walls of Constantinople.."

[ October 15, 2003, 12:59: Message edited by: Maelstorm ]

[Richard]

Okay guys keep it on the subject, don't make this personal.

I have seen a few personal shots recently by a few posters, please refrain from attacking each other personally. I wouldn't want to have to pull out my big moderation stick .

Thanks.

[Maelstorm]

Originally posted by Richard:
Okay guys keep it on the subject, don't make this personal.

I have seen a few personal shots recently by a few posters, please refrain from attacking each other personally. I wouldn't want to have to pull out my big moderation stick .

Thanks.

Hey, nothing personal, just a little history lesson.

[Pocus]

Originally posted by Maelstorm:
Haha, poor fella you have no idea, that what 'Maelstorm' is, right? You shouldn't post crap, when you know nothing.

I must confess that I'm not that interested in pre-teen stuff for playstation II (I suspect that your reference derive from this).

The teutonic knights...Eh lol, their 'empire' was weak compared to the other European powers, also their military was weak as well.

you asked for reference (in 'colorful' language I would say) about Germanic heavy infantry. You got some with the Teutonic knights. period.

As for the germanic tribes....
snip achievments of the Huns

So what? It is not as if only the germans were crushed by the Huns. Can I remind you that it asked for a coalition of rome and barbarians forces to stop them? It does prove nothing about the supposed weakness of german tribes (I'm in no way affiliated with German people btw, so I'm not biased). The point remains that Germanic tribes held in check Rome. Also I urge you to see who migrated and where before the Great Invasions, and you will see that many people were germans. So, yes I stand my point that germanic tribes were amongst the most ferocious so called barbarians in ancient time.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Originally posted by Richard:
Okay guys keep it on the subject

If the point was "does Ulm = Germany?", I'd say the closest thing to Ulmish steel plate in history was the Maximilian-style (ie, "German") full plate of the early XVIth century. And I'd like to think of my Ulmish infantry as landsknechts.

[Nerfix]

The name Ulm (it is a place in Germany) and all the German names on commanders also speak for the "Ulm=Germany". I realised that Ulm=Germany the first time i played the game...

[Richard]

Originally posted by Maelstorm:

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Originally posted by Richard:
Okay guys keep it on the subject, don't make this personal.

I have seen a few personal shots recently by a few posters, please refrain from attacking each other personally. I wouldn't want to have to pull out my big moderation stick .

Thanks.

Hey, nothing personal, just a little history lesson.

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Look it's the tone. I consider anything as "getting personal" when people decide to slam someone when making a point. I have seen that done several times recently, and there's no reason why adults should do that when discussin issues with other adults.