in which occasion will you raise taxes

[johan osterman]

Originally posted by apoger:
>4 Hypaspists for 60 gold
>14 Cardaces for 140 gold

The resource costs of Hypaspists have doubled!
This now makes the Cardaces much more attractive and the Hypaspists near worthless.

The hypaspists near worthless? If you compare them with cardaces gold10 res6: they have morale +4 attack +1 defense, +1 prot +7. If you compare them with hoplites: gold11 res 28, they have prot -4, morale +2, def +4, strat move +1. I think they fill a niche between the hoplites and the cardaces, especially in the early game where you have a limited number of castles.

[ October 30, 2003, 01:58: Message edited by: Kristoffer O ]

[st.patrik]

Originally posted by PvK:
The Hypaspists are still the most skilled of the three melee infantry types, so when gold is low, or when you're trying to get the best strength per supply use, they make sense to use.

PvK

Hypaspists cost more in gold than hoplites or cardaces. And their basic stats are much the same as the hoplites, barring PROT, DEF, ENC, and AP - all these you would expect to be different, given different armour. The only other difference is MRL, which they of course are superior in.

And apoger, they more than doubled since Dom I: 8 -> 18

[PvK]

Hypaspists have one higher basic defense, even before armor. The other difference is that (again, due to armor) they move faster - twice as fast when marching through friendly provinces.

PvK

[ October 30, 2003, 01:30: Message edited by: PvK ]

[Jasper]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
Would you mind pointing out, specifically, the overly complex portion, and specifically provide a simpler replacement? There are some changes I'd like, but I don't think they make the game simpler. So I'm quite curious as to the nature of your complaint(s), and your suggestion(s)... I like simple, deep things.

If I'm overlooking something obvious in one of your Posts, please point me to it.

-Cherry [/QB]

Something like the miniatures game Armati. There are other popular miniatures games too, although I'd shy away from the Warhammer stuff.

I highly recommend taking a look at Armati 2, which is due out around the end of this year.

-Jasper

[apoger]

Perhaps I need to qualify what I said.
Hypaspists aren't "bad", however in the early game players will want bulk, that means Cardaces. Later when they want quality, they will go right to Hoplites. The other units available are what make hypaspists obsolete.

IMHO the resource increase was too heavy handed (much like many of the game changes).

[Jasper]

Originally posted by apoger:
>4 Hypaspists for 60 gold
>14 Cardaces for 140 gold

The resource costs of Hypaspists have doubled!
This now makes the Cardaces much more attractive and the Hypaspists near worthless.

Well, you can't use them for the same fast early
start effect as you could in Dom 1, and for that you're right, Cardaces are better. Overall I think they're definitely better, and I suspect would beat Hoplites cost for cost in melee.

Plus HI with a strategic move of 2 is pretty nice.

[Pocus]

Didnt saw the 'tweaking' of hypaspysts too. They gain 4 prot, but increasing from 8 to 18 resources is definitively too much. I now find them in excess in the Arco roster, as I will either use Cardaces early, then revert to Hoplites when time permit. I only recruited some to goes with my elephants, but this is very secondary.

as for the LI usage, perhaps you can restrict the attack rear order to units which cost 15 resources or less. That would be a quick and dirty trick for giving them a flanking role in battle.