Opinions wanted on new tech (Pirate Mod)

[Phoenix-D]

FYI: unless something has changed since I tried it, "destroyed on use" does NOT work for weaponry.

Phoenix-D

[Suicide Junkie]

well...30 reload is OK too, then. Make it destroyed on use also, so when MM get it working for weapons, you'll be all set.

[Trachmyr]

Thankx for the info Phoenix.

Uh, Mr. Junkie... I'm not sure which way you're suggesting.... bigger and more effective or smaller with low acc (like I have).

I will have a variety of PD in my mod, all are diffrent:

PD guns: Small, fairly accurate, low damage & CLOSE Range... blown away with armor

PD Cannons: Medium range, accurate, 20ton, high damage

RAP:small, counts as armor (but only 1/3 hits of normal), contact range, 1 use vs. missile(only) with high damage and ok accuraccy

Countermeasures:Tiny,very-low accuracy,"contact" range, high damage, 1 use (missile only)

PD rocketry: Long range, Heavy weapon, High Damage, accurate and reload 2

Might add lasers:

PD Lasers: like PD guns, but longer range better accuracy and twice as heavy.

PD Laser Cannon: Like PD cannons, but longer range, lower damage, more accurate, 5tons heavier.

Might add Particle accelerator

PD N-PAWS Cannon(neutral particle accelerator weapon system): Like PD cannon but more accurate and better damage, 10tons heavier.

PD Light N-PAWS (like guns, but heavier, better damage & accuraccy)

All PD requires Point-Defense Weapons, additionally:
Guns/Cannon: Projectile Weapons
Lasers/Laser Cannon: Laser Weapons
Rocketry/countermeasures: Missiles
Particle Accelerators: Particle Weapons
RAP: Armor

(I'm also adding a bunch of missiles and launchers)

[Marty Ward]

I like linking the new PD's to other "less valuable" weapons areas. Put one that requires Menson BLaster and I might even research it for the first time

[Trachmyr]

That's possible, thought about adding PD's for Mesons and anti-polorons...

As far as the techs that I am linking the PD's to (except armor), they're all starting techs in my mod (Projectile/Laser/Particle/Missile). All weapons start at level 0, so you have to use some of your reseach bonus to "determine" your race's weapon style (to balance this I give you Troops, Applied Political Science, Biology (Actually removed Biology, and renamed Applied medical science to biology) and repair at level 1)

[Suicide Junkie]

Sorry for the delay, my internet provider dropped out for an hour


Basically, I was saying
-Continuous fire PDC
vs
-One-shot burst-fire CM, with less total firepower.

You need each type of PD to specialize in a certain area.
-range
-damage
-ammo
-Rate Of Fire
-accuracy
-some special secondary ability
-etc.


Looks like you got
-ROF (Countermeasures)
-range (Lasers, rockets)
-accuracy (Cannon Versions, rockets)
-Ammo (Lasers, Guns)
-damage (PDgun Cannon, rocket)
-Special ability (RAP- armor)

Advantages for stuff:
PDG: some ROF, Accuracy, Ammo
PDGC: some range, Accuracy, damage, Ammo
RAP: some Accuracy, Damage, Ability-Armor
CM: ROF, damage
PDR: Damage, Range, Accuracy
PDL: Ammo, Range, Accuracy
PDLC: Ammo, Range
NPC: some Ammo, some range, Accuracy, Damage
NPCL: some damage, Accuracy, Ammo.

Interesting, but quite confusing about what abilities each has.
Perhaps standardizing the stuff.
eg.
Guns: high damage, med fire rate, short range.
Lasers: Low damage, med fire rate, long range.
PAWS: high Accuracy, med damage, low fire rate, long range.

"cannon" suffix = extended range, heavier damage, lower fire rate.

RAP, Rockets & CM are special.


Meson bLaster tech could be used for the PAWS stuff.

[Trachmyr]

Well, they are kinda standerdized...

Projectile: "The Control Group"

Laser: Slightly heavier, Better range and accuracy, lower damage

Particle: Heavier, slightly better range/accuracy, Higher damage (tears up fighters!... just added them & started testing.)

Light Guns: Counts as armor, gets taken out easily by weapons and fighters. Each type has better resistance: Guns (2xtonnage), Lasers (2.5x tonnage), PAWS (5x Tonnage)

Cannons: Adds Weight/Range/Accuraccy/Damage

Missiles: High range/damage, good accuracy, Heavy with reload 2

RAP & CM: special... single use, lower acc then PD weapons... RAP is better, Heavier + armor


As far as meson bLasters being advanced particle weapons... I'll probally do exactly that.

Projectile weapons: Guns->Electomags->Gravguns (I was gonna make grav stuff a seperate racial tech, but decided against it)

Laser Weapons: Laser->Xaser->Graser (Gamma radiation laser)

Particle Weapons: N-Paws/C-Paws(charged particle accelerator, more damaging but only works vs. planets (needs an atmosphere)->Meson Particle Accelerators->Anit-Particle Accelerator (fewer levels... higher cost)

Each type will be a seprate field (laser,Xaser,Graser), but will require the Last level of the previous type and one higher physics... So Laser needs nothing, but Xaser needs laser 5 & Physics 1, Grasers need Xaser 5 and Physics 2. Projectile weapons will need physics for Electromags, but Astrophysics for Gravguns... Missiles might need chemistry or propulsion to start a new "Tech Thread". (I still got some work to do on the tech-tree)

This is in addition to missiles, planetary weapons, torpedos, Poloron weapons (std/phased/anti), Fusion Weapons(high-energy discharge), Gravity weapons, etc.


I just wish MM would get around to activating the CUSTOM GROUPS so I can finish up my mod and post it! (instead of jus' talkin' 'bout it )



[This message has been edited by Trachmyr (edited 24 April 2001).]