Balance issue: order-luck, a no brainer?

[SurvivalistMerc]

Productivity increases gold income? I thought it just affected resources?

(Sorry if I'm asking mickey mouse questions...still don't have my game. )

[SurvivalistMerc]

By the way, SaberCherry, thanks for pointing out that it is a "relative" rather than an "absolute" decrease in events.

I will tell you, though...it seemed to be an absolute decrease in events when I played Ctis with order 3 and balanced luck. Almost no random events.

Your formula is probably right and mine probably wrong. I didn't get an increase since I didn't take unluck. I don't really miss those handfuls of gems.

[HJ]

Originally posted by SurvivalistMerc:
Productivity increases gold income? I thought it just affected resources?

(Sorry if I'm asking mickey mouse questions...still don't have my game. )

Yes, 2% per tick.

[Keir Maxwell]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
Thus, if every (for example) 40 turns you got 100 events with a neutral scale, 50 of them should be good, and 50 bad. But with an order-3 unluck-3, you should only get 70 total events in the same time, of which 56 are bad and 14 are good.

So you get a tiny (12%) increase in bad events, a huge decrease (62%) in good events (which is OK, because they aren't as potent), and a 21% (or maybe 30%) increase in income. For free. ASSUMING all the published formulas are correct.
-Cherry

By assumming that the chance of events is 100% and order decreases it by 10% you have assumed that orders modifies event likelyhood by 1/10 - do we know this? Given the frequency of events when using low order races and the frequency when using high order races it seems unlikely. My experiance indicates that order +3 does a very good job of dampening down events while turmoil +3 does a good job of increasing them.

On the general question I liked how it worked in Dom I more with Misfortune increasing the chance of events to happen. Its a bit odd saying someone suffers from bad luck if it seldom happens? You suffer more bad luck with turmoil/luck races than order/misfortune races. As people have pointed out good luck can be great but bad luck can ruin you at the start - so less luck is better at present by my reckoning.

cheers

Keir

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by Keir Maxwell:
By assumming that the chance of events is 100% and order decreases it by 10% you have assumed that orders modifies event likelyhood by 1/10 - do we know this?

No, but that's the official word: "Order/turmoil scales increase or decrease the quantity of random events by 10% per step." This is not an exact quote, but I believe it is accurate.

(Edit: It says so in the newby guide, so it must be true! )

I made no assumptions, though, other than that the above paraphrase is true... the neutral-scale event frequency is always 100% if you regard that as your relative base

On the general question I liked how it worked in Dom I more with Misfortune increasing the chance of events to happen.

Yeah, I think that should be the case as well. And, in fact, I suspect it may be the case, and the devs just forgot to mention it=) If so, all my numbers are wrong. But you never know=)

[ November 19, 2003, 21:40: Message edited by: Saber Cherry ]

[DominionsFan]

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
Lucky you! Scale effects will be moddable in the upcoming patch.

What????!??!!? The mod tools will be released with the first patch???????

[Keir Maxwell]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:

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Originally posted by Keir Maxwell:
By assumming that the chance of events is 100% and order decreases it by 10% you have assumed that orders modifies event likelyhood by 1/10 - do we know this?

No, but that's the official word: "Order/turmoil scales increase or decrease the quantity of random events by 10% per step." This is not an exact quote, but I believe it is accurate.

I made no assumptions, though, other than that the above paraphrase is true... the neutral-scale event frequency is always 100% if you regard that as your relative base

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That is your assumption Saber - thats the base line is 100% and that is what is modified +-10%. This may "seem" logical but there could be another explanation based around the +-10% being an absolute modifier on your chance that turn (modified so we hear by such things as province numbers etc) of having a random event.

I don't know the answer but your projections do not fit with my Dominions experiance - Dom I could be confusing me.

cheers

Keir