Tien Chi! Sigh . . .

[apoger]

Pillage is just not worthwhile, even with a bonus. Too much population is slain. The only reason to pillage would be to drain population from a province that you couldn't hold.

The two alternate themes for TC are hard to play. No doubt about that. I have yet to see power that would justify the forced turmoil.

[Keir Maxwell]

Originally posted by apoger:
Pillage is just not worthwhile, even with a bonus. Too much population is slain. The only reason to pillage would be to drain population from a province that you couldn't hold.

In general I agree but from the timing of our Posts I'm assumming you didn't see the one I put up about recruitment through pillage. What do you think of that idea Alex?

My hope is that you could create an aggressive race which never really builds much of an economy and yet its armies still grow thus keeping it in the game.

Cheers

Keir

[apoger]

Ah, recruitment via pillage. Interesting.
Seems reasonable. I'd love to see that tested.

[LordArioch]

The barbarian kings seems to get slightly better cavalry for disorder 2...not good-looking to me. Spring and autumn looks interesting for the magic but loses its good cavalry units which removes most of my interest...and disorder-1 doesnt help either.

The most logical fix would be as Keir has suggested, as well as Nerfix.

Recruitment through pillaging with a reduction on the population loss and increased gold on pillaging because they were so effective.

Then they could have Turmoil in their provinces and in general it wouldn't matter since they don't require a castle to build their units outside of the Khan and elite.

If you could balance the numbers of recruitment and gold vs pillaging it would be an interesting twist on the entire theme/race.

[Keir Maxwell]

How about when an army with a Khan conquers a province it automatically pillages it and gains recruits.

This avoids the Khans pillaging while the Celestial masters conquer which would be silly as there is more prestige in conquering and pillaging than just pillaging.

It would have to be carefully balenced as this could lead to rapid build up of forces. However huge hordes of Horse Archers does not seem unrealistic or impossible to deal with.

I have come up with a semi-decent Spring theme race but its main strength is using the Prince of Death to get the start going. This gives me a chance to get a decent start and see how the rest of it unfolds rather than the stumbling I have been suffering from. In the go I just had I got chainmail of displacement through a random event on the 1st turn. Sure makes the Prince of Death a monster and works a treat on The Nobles to.

Most useful Celestial summons so far are the Spirits which are a must on turn 4.

cheers

Keir

[ November 22, 2003, 02:08: Message edited by: Keir Maxwell ]

I could see that as being potentially unbalancing. If it required time and resources (Units to pillage) then it would be akin to using your forces to generate resources. Also the new units (Horde or Hordling as I would name it) should be unable to pillage gaining units, but still be very good at pillaging (as most men who would join the horde would be to pillage, as that is the attraction).

Also throw in a racial chance for an uprising to occur in provinces, or increased chance of uprising, then it would suit it well.