If it aint broke, don't fix it

You also lose 20% of your production if the even happens in your capital province as well. Or 20% Production gained through Admin for any outside provinces.

Edit: Not that I'm disagreeing with you. I've played extensively with 3 Turmoil, 3 Luck in SP but MP only 3 times; but I haven't had the best of luck in either scenario. As well as trying to use the Jade Emperor and Lady of Fortune.

Maybe if a good event gave you 200 gold and 50 Production points for that turn, it would be equated.

[ November 24, 2003, 01:30: Message edited by: Zen ]

[Raen]

Originally posted by apoger:
In Dom2 nobody will purposely use anything but Order +3 when trying to be competitive.

Exactly. Which is clearly wrong.

[Gandalf Parker]

Many of these discussions arent going anywhere anyway. Its not whether they are right or wrong, its just that they dont seem to know how to suggest changes to an artist. Any of them that seem to start from the basis of "this is whats wrong with your product" are going to fight a heavy battle to get on a "do list" IMHO

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally posted by Raen:

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Originally posted by apoger:
In Dom2 nobody will purposely use anything but Order +3 when trying to be competitive.

Exactly. Which is clearly wrong.

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I dont see it as quite that absolute. There are nations which have uses for chaos beyond the benefits that Order would give them. Ermor, Ctis, Pangaea? But if it seems like an automatic pick after we play all the nations abit then we should ask the devs to look at it again

As Johan stated; there is nothing obvious right now except for the fact that if you do pick one, more than likely you choose a scale of 3. Because for the negative effecs on most of the scales you discount/counter whatever the effect is to balance it.

If someone can show me a race that plays with Turmoil 3, Unluck 3 and can get away with it; that isn't Ermor I'd like to see it And be competitive.

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by johan osterman:
*Edit: what I do think is a problem, is that the obvious choices are +3 -3 or -3 +3.

I agree - well, except for Magic/Drain, where +-2 is probably better than +-3. But graduating the scale costs, the way high pretender magic costs are graduated, would help.

[Zapmeister]

What interesting choices are you refering to? How do you now that all people use the same or very similar scale settings?

Of course I don't. I'm speculating that this is what will happen if everyone draws the same conclusions as myself and many other posters to the forum. Excuse me if my tone was more provocative than is warranted, but it did get your attention

In dom1 if you wanted to play in an MP game cranking up your growth and production scales to 3 was almost a foregone choice.

Could be (although I didn't). To fix that, and the more general problem of people always choosing +3/-3, make the cost/bonus of +/- 1,2,3 rise in a non-linear way, e.g. 20 for +1, 20+40=60 for +2 and 20+40+60=120 for +3. The effects should still change linearly, though.

There was an awful lot of complaints about the tax/patrol complex, including that order increased viable tax rate rather than taxes thus increasing MM.

I think the idea of trashing the overtaxed population was a good one, dealing with this issue well IMHO.

Also the positive scale effects where so beneficial that there were no reason to invest more than leftover design points into your pretender.

See my suggestion above. If +3 is expensive enough, points will go to the pretender.

Also I think it is advisable to wait with tampering once again with the scale settings, at least until more MP games have been played and there is a little more dom2 MP game experience in the player base.

Perhaps. But I think single-player experience, of which we have a fair bit now, will prove to be an accurate guide to what we conclude from MP. But yes, we can wait.