D2 vs Aow:SM

[licker]

Originally posted by Elmo:
Thanks for the feedback folks. I have the demo and will give it a whirl as it sounds like most of you prefer D2 to AoW:SM.

PS - How are the manuals in the commercial Version?

Just to offer a contrasting opinion

I think the manual is average at best. The game mechanics section is light and not very illuminating, though in fairness most of the info is in these forums or others, and the community is typically ready to help new players with their questions. You don't see many RTFMs here, mostly cuz... well the manual isn't that good...

The rest of the manual (the spell lists and magic items lists) are fine, but not well organized or referenced, still the information is there even if it is more annoying than it should be to extract. Then again, no one is buying this game for the manual, so I wouldn't worry about it, and some people seem to really like the manual, maybe you'll fall into that group.

As to which is better SM or Dom2... well its entirely a matter of personal opinion, and I don't think that that main divider between them is 'better gameplay' for Dom2 and 'prettier gfx' for SM. If you are playing MP mostly than SM stands up quite well for a certain type of game play. Also the longevity of SM will be longer than what alot of people here have pointed out, the origonal and AoW2 both had scads of user made maps and senerios (20 times more than what I've seen for Dom anyway), though in fairness the gameplay of any of the AoWs was more dependant on how the map was made than it is for Dom, that's one reason why the random map maker for SM is average at best.

I think you'll get more SP replayability out of Dom2 though, and certainly more SP challenge, the AI isn't as bad as some people make it out to be, and it is capeable of assassinations, global enchantments, and a variety of other 'higher level' strategies. It's not as good as a human of course (hense the desire to play MP), but it's far better than most people assumed it would be from the Demo.

Here's the thing about SP in Dom2 and its challenges. You'll only be as challenged as you allow yourself to be. If you chose settings that inherently favor the human player, yeah it'll be easy. If you choose balanced settings (or try to handicap yourself somehow) then the AI will be strong. Seemingly the AI has some problems with early aggression, but on a big enough map with enough opponents, even if you are able to take out 2 neighbors by turn 40, there will likely be one or two other AIs that have done a similar manuver and who will be ready to face you in the midgame. Ermor is particularly nasty about growing a huge hoard of troops and visiting smackdowns on anyone unfortunate to be next to them.

[SurvivalistMerc]

I agree that the Dom2 manual could really use an index for the spell and item descriptions because they're not well organized.

They are organized by magic Category but not alphabetically within magic Category and level. Also, some of the categories of the various spells are not intuitive. Not to say they should be reordered...just that they are hard to look up even if you know the spell name.

For instance, someone says XXXXX is a great overland spell. You have no idea where to find out what it does in the manual.

(The SM manual is better. It contains some inaccuracies but it really explains game mechanics, and the organization of the manual makes more sense. All the death spells are together, for instance. In fairness to Dominions, however, SM has no two-types-required spells and hence had an easier time organizing their manual by type of magic. Dominions would have to use two entries for numerous spells in the event that they organized the manual in this manner. I still wish they had. Or that they would supplement us with spell listings by magic type with reference to the page of the manual that the spell is on. This would particularly help newbies like me decide what magic path to research next, but I guess you can do it from the research screen.)

[MythicalMino]

[quote]Originally posted by licker:

Originally posted by Elmo:
....and visiting smackdowns on anyone unfortunate to be next to them.

LOL....wrestling fan?

I I just bought Smackdown: Here Comes the Pain Last week....

[licker]

Heh, I'm a fan of it in passing, I do enjoy some of the lingo though, it entertains me to no end

Though without cable, and with my wife booking up the TV on Thursdays I rarely if ever watch, and it's been a long time since I had my descrambler to watch any of the PPV stuff

I do kinda like the WWE vidio games, though I never play them, stupid Best Buy never has them on their display units anymore, its all that Soul Caliber crap

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by Altus:
SM is a great 'beer and pretzel' fantasy wargame. I've had a lot of fun with it.

A lot of people talk about beer and pretzel strategy games. What does that mean? What's the origin? Is it more fun playing Dominions II while consuming beer and pretzels? I don't think I've ever ingested them together.

-Cherry

[HJ]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:

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Originally posted by Altus:
SM is a great 'beer and pretzel' fantasy wargame. I've had a lot of fun with it.

A lot of people talk about beer and pretzel strategy games. What does that mean? What's the origin? Is it more fun playing Dominions II while consuming beer and pretzels? I don't think I've ever ingested them together.

-Cherry

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AFAIK, the term describes a game that you can play casually, without much mental effort, and finish in a short time span. I've seen it mentioned a lot on the Underdogs site.

[ November 25, 2003, 20:55: Message edited by: HJ ]

[PvK]

I own Doms and Doms II. I've played AoW, but only the demo, because one game of the AoW demo was enough to enjoy what it had to offer and become pretty sick of it. Others have different tastes, though.

AoW is very derivative of MoM. Doms has tons of original ideas.

Doms has massive quality of play advantages over AoW, as far as I'm concerned. But different people have different tastes, and they are very different games, so try the demos and decide for yourself.

PvK