T'ien Ch'i, and how they rule!

[Keir Maxwell]

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
Fortune ability gives the province a chance of an extra event that is automatically good. The chance might be linked to the luck scale (not sure though).

Thanks Kristoffer. I was just puzzelling away at the Jade Emperors desription as to me it seemed less clear than Fortunes' wether or not it worked well with a turmoil/luck race - the reason I choose Fortune over Emperor. From your response I'm assuming that both the Jade Emperor and the Lady of Fortune have the "fortune" special ability and that this is not affected by your turmoil scales.

Thanks again.

Keir

[Kristoffer O]

Lady has more luck than Emperor. 25 - 10 % IIRC.

Oh ... because he ... needs to be less attractive?

I wonder why that choice was made.

[johan osterman]

Originally posted by Zen:
Oh ... because he ... needs to be less attractive?

I wonder why that choice was made.

You are approaching this from the wrong direction, his fortune event ability is not him being a shortchanged but him getting an additional bonus, most pretenders do not have this ability after all. Now looking at him I would perhaps agree that he is a tad expensive for his potency, but I think it is a better solution to either improve him in some other way of reduce his cost, rather than make his luck event ability as potent as that of the pretender that is expressiviely intended to be a good fortune pretender.

Well considering the Jade Emperor has:

Cost 100

HP 110 St 20
Pr 3 At 10
Mo 30 De 9
Mr 18 Ps 10
En 2 Mv 3/12
Leadership 75/0/0

Astral 1, Water 1, New Path: 50

Dominion 3

Weapon: Fist

Special: "Minor" Fortune

and the:

Lady of Fortune

Cost 100
HP 85 Str 20
Pr 4 At 11
Mo 30 De 11
Mr 18 Ps 13
En 2 Mv 3/16
Leadership 125/0/0

Water 2, Nature 1, New Path: 50

Dominion: 3

Weapon: Fist
Armor: Helmet

Special: "Full" Fortune


I don't know why I would look at him as being less attractive. Perhaps I'm a 'the cup is half empty' type of person. But when I look at two pretenders that are virtually the same, and I see one for the same cost with lower overall statistics and 'special' ability while being a Racial Specific pretender only usable by T'ien Ch'i I see it as less attractive than the one who is better.

Perhaps it is because once a pretender takes at least 1 pick in Astral he is committed to at least a few more picks otherwise he is virtually useless in any combat situation in MP. Now seeing as the Emperor is less inclined to being a Rainbow, because of his new pick cost, I don't see him picking more than perhaps 1 other path outside of his two without going with a different pretender.

Maybe this has already been discussed and you are improving them; and this is just rubbing salt into the wound. I have no idea.

But now that I know that the Jade Emperor has less Fortune than the Lady; I will be much less inclined to choose him over her unless for whatever reason I want Astral and not go with the other much more attractive astral pretenders out there for much cheaper.

[Adept]

My girlfriend is a big fan and scholar of the Warring States period of China, so she's taken a liking for the Spring&Autumn variety of T'ien Ch'i.

Nobody seems to comment on the _very_ nice charioteer commanders.

I'm rather surprised that these people have cavalry instead of chariot troops. Reading "The Art of War" should show everybody just how central _vast_ chariot armies were in the early China.

But still. The charioteer commander is heavily armoured, fast and deadly. Just recruiting a handful (say 4+) of them and positioning them to do a flanking rear attack can have rather spectacular results.

And since they are all commanders, one can beef them up with missile protection and extra armour.

Nice. I still hope the cavalry get's changed to chariots though. So chinise

Huge wooden crossbows too, of course. Just look at the terracotta warriors.

[Keir Maxwell]

The reason I see to take the Jade Emperor over Fortune is easier access to Crystal shields. I'm hoping crystal shields will unleash the full potential of Celestial Mages.

So far my Oracle (Astral3, Earth2 for CS) Spring and Autumn race has failed miserably. I had a great run of luck in one game using Fortune and the Barbarians but though I'm still playing turmoil3/luck3 I haven't had much luck since. If I start close to an AI I get overrun in short order while tough indie's are really hard to beat without the Lance armed cavalry to charge down their Heavies. Bring on extra Chariots I say.

From the explanation given there seems to be no special affinity between the Lady of Fortune/Jade Emperor and turmoil/luck races. The otherside of the coin is it means they are an interesting choice for an order/misfortune race that still wants good events. Not the way I hoped it worked but there you go.

Cheers

Keir