The most complex game?

Thilock_Dominus · #1 January 9th, 2004, 09:14 PM

The complexity is a word that covers alot and is diffrent if you ask diffrent people. Lots of games have complexity of its own. Like Morrowind its complexity lies in it's neverending and the MW editor. Other games also have the 'unique' touch of complexity it's all about which eye who sees it. A child would say Mario Brothers are complex while an adult hard core roleplayer would think otherwise.

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Thilock_Dominus

PvK · #2 January 10th, 2004, 01:39 AM

True. Complexity is a very subjective and mutable term.

However, some other nicely complex games (of completely different genres - some might argue these are simulations rather than games, but they are also games), which are also some of my Favorites:

Point of Attack 2 (HPS Simulations)
Tigers on the Prowl series (HPS Simulations)
Combat Mission (see Battlefront.com)
Panzer Elite (Wings Simulations)
Falcon 4 (MicroProse)

Point of Attack 2 definites comes to mind when I think of the most complex game.

PvK

Lord Hammer · #3 January 10th, 2004, 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by PvK:
True. Complexity is a very subjective and mutable term.Point of Attack 2 definites comes to mind when I think of the most complex game.
PvK

Decisive Action (HPS), now that's another one

...aren't games supposed to be fun?

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PvK · #4 January 10th, 2004, 05:15 AM

They are extremely fun, if you are a detail maniac, like I am. I think the most total fun I've had with computer games is with the Tigers on the Prowl series, which has merely functional MS-DOS graphics, sound that is best turned off, a steep learning curve and a large "find out what a PSW231/7 is yourself" element. It was so well done though, that it made me interested in finding out what a PSW231/7 was! I'm not alone either - there were many very satisfied fans of the series, and we had some great times playing the game via PBEM. Once you get into such a game that is well done, there can be a lot more to enjoy than in a simpler game, for players who are interested.

PvK

Lord Hammer · #5 January 10th, 2004, 06:38 AM

@PVK...
Don't get me wrong, i have every Talon Soft, HPS, SSI, SSG etc... game there is and spent most of my childhood playing Avalon Hill boardgames. I built every WW2 model i could get my hands on and have a vast understanding of the art of complex warfare

. But a "few" have too much minutia for me is all eg: Point of Attack 2 and Decisive Action.

PvK · #6 January 11th, 2004, 12:12 AM

Sure. Different players have different tastes. Details also don't necessarily make a good game. Some games also take some time to appreciate. I was totally confused and didn't enjoy my first game and a half of Tigers on the Prowl, but then I caught on, and got to the point where I could appreciate how well done the many different factors were, and that kept me very entertained for many years. It did also ruin my interest in less-detailed WW2 tactical games, though. When I try to play the Battleground series, or Steel Panthers, or when I look at the results of a strafing run in IL-2 Sturmovik, I can't help but groan and lose interest. Kind of like a Dominions fan thinking about playing Age of Wonders. Though, even that is an oversimplification - I know there are players who enjoy both, and/or who enjoy both TOP and SP, etc. Every player seems to have a unique set of tastes and sensitivities.

PvK

mercurycs · #7 January 11th, 2004, 01:57 AM

I have to say that Avalon Hill's boardgame "magic realm" has topped my most complex game list. it took me years to learn it and sadly, i am the only one that i have ever met that has played it. glad it had a solo varient.

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