Order +3 Luck -3 : still a no-brainer

[Teraswaerto]

Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:

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Originally posted by Teraswaerto:

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Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:

OTOH Luck+3 without Order is still a good recipe for catastrophic outcomes. Plagues events that kill 50+% of your capital's pop shouldn't occur with Luck+3. And even then, they should be restricted to dominions of Death.

Death scale hardly needs to be made less desirable. Limited to misfortune would be far better.

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That wouldn't make death scale less desirable, since plagues can already happen in a death dominion. And as it is now, I don't find death scale particularly bad.

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If not having death scale would make one immune to plagues, surely it would make people less likely to take death? Death makes supply harder and reduces population. Seems pretty bad to me, though I guess less so in a short game.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Originally posted by Teraswaerto:
If not having death scale would make one immune to plagues, surely it would make people less likely to take death?

Well, since it seems I can't grow pop when events are aplenty, I'm not even considering buying a growth scale with turmoil+something/luck+3 (I default to death+1 now). If I pick a positive growth scale I can accept lossing 3%, or even 1/5th (emigration due to turmoil) of the pop in my capital with these turmoil/luck settings, but surely not 50+% due a plague event! That's a problem that needs to be fixed. Plagues make sense with a death scale and I've no problem with it - I got what I paid (or actually didn't pay) for.

Death makes supply harder and reduces population. Seems pretty bad to me, though I guess less so in a short game.

It's bad yes, but it gives you lots of design points, and if you buy order+3 with those your pop losses to bad events are extremely rare. Seems quite a bargain to me. I certainly lose way less pop with order+3/death+1/misfortune+3 than with turmoil+1/growth+1/luck+3, and it costs 200 less design points and makes you more rich to boot!

[Jasper]

Originally posted by Teraswaerto:
Getting 1500 gold and level 6 magic item(s) early is pretty great. Yeah, it doesn't happen every time, but luck is luck, it's supposed to be unpredictable. I think that limiting the worst events to negative luck scales would be enough.

Having played through hundreds perhaps thousands of turns, about half of which with T+3 and L+3, I've seen that _once_. It's colorfull, but in terms of balance it's insignificant.

The only really good events that occur on a regular basis are heroes (if you get a mage).

[ January 25, 2004, 19:30: Message edited by: Jasper ]

[Kristoffer O]

The 1500 gp event is no more uncommon than any other rare event, provided you have the requisite scales (luck +3). We played a mp game a while back where one of the players got the event 3 times before turn 40.

[Truper]

Hehe. Seems all we can conclude from all this is that there's a lot of luck in luck

[Jasper]

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
The 1500 gp event is no more uncommon than any other rare event, provided you have the requisite scales (luck +3). We played a mp game a while back where one of the players got the event 3 times before turn 40.

I've probably just had "bad" luck!

That's always the problem with analyzing such rare but potent events, as a large variance is to be expected... I suspect that that 3 times in one game is an extreme outlier, but without knowing how many rare events exist I can't caclulate anything. On average I think it be fair to say that a player probably will not see this event in any given game, possibly even once in 10 games.

Moreover, even if one is astoundingly lucky enough to get this event 3 times in 40 turns, the resulting gold is _still_ much less than the income difference between Order+3 and Turmoil+3 -- or even the income difference between Order 3 and 0!

[ January 25, 2004, 20:27: Message edited by: Jasper ]

[Coffeedragon]

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
The 1500 gp event is no more uncommon than any other rare event, provided you have the requisite scales (luck +3).

Do the rare bad events also have requisite scales (luck -x)? (I think they should!)