Flagellant Atral 9 blessing

[Arryn]

And you feel that the Death-9 effects are better than the Water-9 for these? (A problem with Nature-9/Water-9, of course, is Jotun doesn't get starting gem sites with both Nature and Water together.) I presume you play Iron Woods or Utgard since they both have Nature + Death starting gem sites?

Depending on what you are trying to do. I'd stick with 2 blessings. I don't know exactly how you're playing now so I couldn't comment . Air 4 will give you 20 Air Shield while Death 4 will give you Lesser Fear -1. It's all in how you want and if you want to pour everything you have into blessings

I use Utgard. I prefer their mages overall. And depending on what pretender you use (I prefer the Master Lich) it can be modified.

The important thing to remember is to take Order 3, or you won't be able to build the required numbers of Jotun to survive. Also with Utgard you can make Nature items, with the kind of scales you are choosing, being able to make extra supply items is vital as well as having some leaders who can command undead. Also it's nice to have a Norna around to stop some of those nasty misfortune events.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Zen:
I use Utgard. I prefer their mages overall.

The important thing to remember is to take Order 3, or you won't be able to build the required numbers of Jotun to survive.

We think entirely too much alike. I, too, prefer the seithkona to vaetti hags. And I almost always take Order+3 with Jotuns. But, since I've yet to ever play a dual-bless game, I've tended towards the Son of Niefel or Wyrm as my pretender (nice as SCs, and they fit better if you're trying to "role-play" the game rather than tweak for max gain).

I've learned so much about Dom just in the past 24 hours ...

I'll have to start a new Jotun game and play with this concept a bit. Sounds most intriguing!

Thanks

[Leif_-]

Originally posted by Zen:
MY personal favorite double bless nation/theme is ... wait for it.

Jotun Woodsmen with Death 9, Nature 9.

One hot tip when using a Death 9 blessing is to get hold of a Jade Maiden province as soon as possible. The nightmare is already "Causes Fear +0" and when blessed will have this increased by your fear bonus.

For the best blessed unit, I'm partial to Daoine Sidhe with an Astral 9 blessing. Prot 13, Def 15, Glamour and Twisted fate; and for bonus points they're sneaky and equipped with javelins (with Strength 12 and Precision 12 so they actually do some damage with them too.) They just don't die.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Zen:
MY personal favorite double bless nation/theme is ... wait for it.

Jotun Woodsmen with Death 9, Nature 9.

I played about a dozen turns with this, but wasn't overly impressed. It wasn't bad, but I thought it should be better. So I tried a Son of Niefel with Nature-9/Water-9 and it appears to be working much better. With D9 I was losing 1-2 woodsmen per turn in the early battles (please bear in mind that I set indies to 7). With W9 instead, I haven't lost any. The +4 defense keeps more of my troops alive, and the extra attacks from Quickness dishes out damage faster so the enemy routs sooner.

I'd overlooked blessing strategies prior to this thread. Now I'm a convert.

[Arryn]

Followup: I just fought a tough battle against some indies that I won solely due to the dual-bless.

My forces -

1 Herse
1 Gode (prophet)
8 jot axe
10 jot woodsmen

Indies

1 mounted commander
1 commander
26 crossbowmen
21 heavy cav

1st round the crossbows score at least 6-8 hits on my concentrated force. 2nd round the heavily armored horsemen slam into my ranks, killing 2 woodsmen and an axeman. 3rd round another 2 woodsmen and an axeman fall beneath the slashing swords of the cavalry, while my dwindling attackers acquit themselves of a half-dozen of their mounted foe. 4th round the crossbows fire again, scoring a lucky strike on my prophet who then turns away, thus demoralizing my entire army and beginning a general rout. However, 5 of the woodsmen and the herse are also struck in the same barrage and they go berserk! These maniacally-brave, fanatically loyal followers of the King of Kings, Lord of Winter, and Prince of Rivers proceed to mop up the remaining heathens, heedless of their own casualties and outnumbered at least five to one, righteous fury filling their hearts. Another trio of woodsmen fall before the unbelievers finally succumb to the relentless onslaught of giants avenging their fallen comrades, the pitiful few heathen survivors fleeing into a nearby forest.