Jotunheim:Utgard AAR

[Arryn]

Kelan,

Thanks! Charon's AAR is on my other favorite race. But he's sensible enough to play on a small map.
I picked a large map so that the game wouldn't be over before I got to use the most powerful spells. The Last time I played Jotuns on Aran the game was pretty much over (except for mopping up) by turn 40-50. (I define "over" as being stronger than all the AIs combined.) A large map allows them to grow a bit before a human begins to kick their butts.

On behalf of the rest of the people here in the forum, if I may be so bold, we're glad you found the game too, and that you plan to become an active forum participant.

[CharonJr]

Kelan,

thank you and welcome to the game

Like Arryn said, still a tad below turn 50 but I think that I am already more or less in the mop up phase of the game, but since I don't use the score graphs I can't be sure.

But due to the AI's reluctant declarations of war I am fairly certain that my forces outnumber each of the remaining races' forces.

Currently I am even contemplating attacking the remaining races on purpose to get them to band together in order to kill me (which they should have done some turns ago IMO).

CharonJr

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Arryn:
That's Ulm, and it's the second time they have done that. I may well be wrong, but I don't think they plan to attack Herghendorf. I think they plan to use that 170-strong force to attack the 40 barbarians in Arnbeg. Or so I hope.

You were right in that they did, in fact, attack Arnbeg. This actually creates a host of other problems, and I would advise doing something about them:

That move by Ulm has now exposed Hoburgdorf and Ultima Typhia, in addition to the previously Herghendorf. This is going to make it that much harder to secure your border in the event that fighting breaks out. Had you managed to take Arnbeg before him, your exposure would have been limited to only that one province.

If he continues his advance and takes the province west of Well of All Waters whose name is illegible, your exposure profile will get even more inconveniently large. I recommend securing the province for yourself to avoid this.

[Arryn]

I have no intentions to do anything about the Ulmish army, other than to build 10 more PD in Ultima Typhia as a disincentive to them.

If they make another move, which I doubt they will unless this month's report underestimates their strength, it'll be to attack the 50 barbs in Imictan. If they were going to attack me, they would have already done so.

You worry too much. Must be a sign of creeping age ...

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Arryn:
If they make another move, which I doubt they will unless this month's report underestimates their strength, it'll be to attack the 50 barbs in Imictan. If they were going to attack me, they would have already done so.

Is that what the green foresty province I mentioned is called? It's definitely to your advantage to take that one BEFORE Ulm takes it: It'll reduce the number of provinces exposed by far. Even if you don't think Ulm will attack now, it's inevitable that they will: Don't you want your front lines to be fairly controllable by then?

You worry too much. Must be a sign of creeping age ...

Don't mock me! I'm old! I'm old and I have a long beard! Don't say I didn't warn you!

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Is that what the green foresty province I mentioned is called? It's definitely to your advantage to take that one BEFORE Ulm takes it: It'll reduce the number of provinces exposed by far. Even if you don't think Ulm will attack now, it's inevitable that they will: Don't you want your front lines to be fairly controllable by then?

1. Just how do you expect me to get to it before Ulm? My army is 3 months away from it.

2. Taking the province would *increase* the number of my border provinces with Ulm. Only by having taken Arnbeg before Ulm could I have minimized my long-term exposure to Ulm. And taking Arnbeg would have required that I know in advance that Ulm was going to. It had sat there for 2+ years untouched. My attention is on Man and Vanheim. Sure, if I'd known 3-6 turns ago what the situation would be now, my armies would be deployed differently, but I have to make do with what I can predict 1 turn in advance. And even that isn't very certain.

3. Why are you so hung up on Ulm? I'm already at war with Vanheim, Atlantis is impinging it's dom on me, as is Pangaea. And Pangaea is the #2 world power behind Van. So I (the #3 power) already have borders with the two largest AIs. Ulm simply isn't a concern. They are a problem for R'lyeh to deal with, not me.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Arryn:
1. Just how do you expect me to get to it before Ulm? My army is 3 months away from it.

You don't happen to have a teleporting FART you save just for when you absolutely, positively, have to get people somewhere yesterday? A remote summon or teleport-drop should likely be able to secure the area for you before Ulm overruns it.

2. Taking the province would *increase* the number of my border provinces with Ulm.

On the surface, this may appear to be true, but consider what happens if the province falls to Ulm instead. You'll gain two additional points of exposure at the Well of All Waters AND that foresty province, Feral-something, south of it.

3. Why are you so hung up on Ulm? I'm already at war with Vanheim, Atlantis is impinging it's dom on me, as is Pangaea. And Pangaea is the #2 world power behind Van. So I (the #3 power) already have borders with the two largest AIs. Ulm simply isn't a concern. They are a problem for R'lyeh to deal with, not me.

Obviously, because Ulm is up to something evil. You can tell just by looking at them. Just look at that shifty look in their beady little eyes. They're evil, I tell you! Evil!

Call it an old man's intuition. I've seen the pattern before.