Jotunheim:Utgard AAR

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
I figured it would only be 4 turns of wasted movement. 1 to a lab, one to teleport to the target, 1 to build a new lab at the destination, 1 to teleport elsewhere. The same 4 turns you spent unsuccessfully sieging a fort, when you could have just let Vanheim and Man kill each other and cleaned up the mess afterwards.

3 to the nearest lab, Ashikaga, from Man. Just as easy to not bother with the lab and move straight to whatever target, if that target was 4-5 moves away. I had to waste 3 moves just getting anywhere else from Man. Or one move to get away, and a second move to build a lab. I chose to kill Vans and use the lab cost to build 6 more Jotuns.

Plus, I really really wanted the damn air gems from Man.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Arryn:
3 to the nearest lab, Ashikaga, from Man. Just as easy to not bother with the lab and move straight to whatever target, if that target was 4-5 moves away. I had to waste 3 moves just getting anywhere else from Man. Or one move to get away, and a second move to build a lab. I chose to kill Vans and use the lab cost to build 6 more Jotuns.

I can see your lab building habits don't closely resemble mine at all, then.

I like to keep labs within easy reach, because that way, my SC can simultaneously serve as a fast-response force to any such emergencies that crop up. The rest state of my SCs tends to always be at/near a lab, where I'm free to teleport/trapeze into any hotspot that requires attention. You probably view labs as something you build only for research and mage production. I tend to see them more as airbases.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
I can see your lab building habits don't closely resemble mine at all, then.

I like to keep labs within easy reach, because that way, my SC can simultaneously serve as a fast-response force to any such emergencies that crop up. The rest state of my SCs tends to always be at/near a lab, where I'm free to teleport/trapeze into any hotspot that requires attention. You probably view labs as something you build only for research and mage production. I tend to see them more as airbases.

I normally don't play SCs, and it shows. BTW, I do build labs as "forward airbases", but typically 5-10 turns further into the game than I presently am, and likely not near to the degree that you do. I'm sure my approach thus far has been sub-optimal. It is, even by my own standards. I am, after all, still learning. OTOH, I'm also probably more risk-averse than you may be.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Arryn:
I'm also probably more risk-averse than you may be.

YOU? More risk-averse than me? BWAHAHAHA! I'll share with you this story on PM.

Trust me. There is no way in hell you are more risk-averse than me. I am the most overcautious, paranoid SOB that my friends have ever met.

[Minrhael]

In an attempt to semi-recreate this AAR, just to sort of play along with similar choices and a few variances, some forced since I still only have the demo, I tried to start this game.

Every time I choose Utgard instead of starting with the Well of Uld or whatever it was, I always start with a Smoldering Crater or something like that which gives 5 fire gems and gives me Demonbred etc to recruit. Is this a problem in the demo, or am I just being REALLY stupid as I've tried it 4 times now and I'd swear I set everything right.

[Sindai]

Originally posted by Minrhael:
Every time I choose Utgard instead of starting with the Well of Uld or whatever it was, I always start with a Smoldering Crater or something like that which gives 5 fire gems and gives me Demonbred etc to recruit. Is this a problem in the demo, or am I just being REALLY stupid as I've tried it 4 times now and I'd swear I set everything right.

This is a major known bug wih Version 2.08 of the game. The Utgard theme was totally broken. I guess Illwinter updates the demos to the current patch level as well...?

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Sindai:
This is a major known bug wih Version 2.08 of the game. The Utgard theme was totally broken. I guess Illwinter updates the demos to the current patch level as well...?

Yes, they do.

v2.08 came out over a month ago and Utgard (as well as at least one major spell) has been broken ever since. Had I known a month ago that IW would delay coming out with a fix I would have saved a copy of the v2.06 demo and posted it to my website.