Unknown magic sites in starting provinces?

[SATANS PAWN]

And the winner is .... NTJedi.

Complainer of the year award goes to Arryn. What a NAG !

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[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by Truper:
Astounding... 4 pages of total fluff...

Yes, it is impressive considering the answer to the question posed: "are there unknown magic sites in starting provinces" is a clear: "Not in capital provinces but possibly in other starting provinces." - and was answered in the first four Posts.

[ March 19, 2004, 23:34: Message edited by: Peter Ebbesen ]

[NTJedi]

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen:

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Originally posted by Truper:
Astounding... 4 pages of total fluff...

Yes, it is impressive considering the answer to the question posed: "are there unknown magic sites in starting provinces" is a clear: "Not in capital provinces but possibly in other starting provinces." - and was answered in the first four Posts.

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And I simply pointed out that its possible to have unknown nonexistent magic sites at the capital as well.
Copper and Iron Mines which become available from events.

[ March 19, 2004, 23:38: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

[Phoenix-D]

Originally posted by NTJedi:
And I simply pointed out that its possible to have unknown nonexistent magic sites at the capital as well.

Which is incorrect. Something cannot be known or unknown if it doesn't exist. That doesn't make it unknown, which implies it has properites to know. If it doesn't exist it has no proprities and therefore nothing to know.

EDIT: to make a simplier comparision, saying a non-existant object is unknown is logically equivilent to 1/0. Yes, you can say it. No, it doesn't make any sense. No, it isn't helpful in any way.

[ March 19, 2004, 23:41: Message edited by: Phoenix-D ]

[NTJedi]

Because it doesn't exist makes it unknown for the case with the copper and iron mines. Hypothetically speaking if a fortune teller was able to see into the future and witness the event which brought the copper and/or iron mine then for that fortune teller it would be known and nonexistent.

IF humans were to evolve into something else within the next 2000 years... this would currently qualify as unknown and nonexistent.

[ March 19, 2004, 23:53: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by NTJedi:
And I simply pointed out that its possible to have unknown nonexistent magic sites at the capital as well.
Copper and Iron Mines which become available from events.

And thus we start from square one again, and another four pages of bickering.

As you very well know, copper and iron mines do not become available from events (implying that they have some sort of prior existence as iron or core deposits, which is now through the hard labour of the peasantry turned into an iron mine) - they are created out of nothing as a random event based on the current scales of the province in question. The text blurb may say otherwise, but only the most credulous peasant in the land would believe it - and we are discussing as players, not as inhabitants of the fantasy world.

If an "iron deposit" or a "copper deposit" were created in specific provinces during game initialisation and then found at some time during game play, you would have a point in saying that they were made available, became known, &etc.

But they are not.

[ March 19, 2004, 23:52: Message edited by: Peter Ebbesen ]

[NTJedi]

Peter look at it from this angle then:

Hypothetically speaking if a fortune teller was able to see into the future and witness the event which brought the copper and/or iron mine then for that fortune teller it would be known and nonexistent.
OR
If someone programmed an event for that copper and/or iron mine to appear.... then for that programmer it would be known and nonexistent. Yet it would remain unknown and nonexistent for any of the other gamers.

[ March 19, 2004, 23:57: Message edited by: NTJedi ]