Vampire Queens and Sneaking Armies

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Arralen:
.. play with indies=7 or better even 9. Bet you won't get far with your VQ ...

If you don't then you aren't scripting her right, and haven't given her the right paths.

A naked VQ with fire-4-shield kills 5..15 milita per combat. That won't make 60+ troops root 4 in 5 times.

All you need to make her essentially invulnerable to normal troops is water 2, and 20 protection. Just cast quickness, breath of winter, attack and watch the troops die. Add a stoneskin if you put earth magic on her. The VQ has almost every modifier that you need on a SC, so she doesn't need mch equipment to make her truly fearsome.

[Firebreath]

Bah, vq's suck. Mine got decked (along with about 200 ulmish infantry) 4 times in a row by a group of 5 random invading heroes, including a troll on his own at the end, vs 120 black plate elites, 5-6 smiths and the vq pumped up with equipment each time (although no spells, to support an ulm-friendly dominion).

Normally though, she's vulnerable to all sorts of spells and enchanted items...

[Minrhael]

For any unit to move and patrol you have to be going into a castle. You are aware of that, right?

Um, ya, I knew that really I did ... not Ah well, that should take care of my stupid mistake for the day. Thanks!

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Firebreath:
Bah, vq's suck.

Actually, I would say that she's the single most powerful combat pretender out there.

(although no spells, to support an ulm-friendly dominion).

Then that's the problem, you didn't take advantage of magic to make her essentially invulnerable.

Normally though, she's vulnerable to all sorts of spells and enchanted items...

Put an elemental armor on her, and minor magic resist equipment, and then just about the only thing that has a chance to hurt her is death magic. You can give her afflictions by cursing her and using very buff tramplers, but she'll get better in just a few turns.

[AhhhFresh]

Originally posted by archaeolept:

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Originally posted by Arralen:
.. play with indies=7 or better even 9. Bet you won't get far with your VQ ...
A naked VQ with fire-4-shield kills 5..15 milita per combat. That won't make 60+ troops root 4 in 5 times. To make things more interesting, use difficult or extremly difficult research.

*cough*

a fire 4 shield? well, sure, if you're not even trying. W/ Alt 3 Enchant 1 a cheap VQ can destroy pretty well anything on the planet w/out breaking a sweat.

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Basically, you are just saying that Etherealness, Regeneration, High Protection (armor or ironskin/invulnerability), Low Encumberance, Life Drain, and Immortality... are really uber together.

Well, that's a suprise!

However, that can be acomplished by a number of pretender templates... either through magic or items (though the immortality + full items slots is hard to beat).

She's the fastest out of the gate whooping it up with Indie 9s really early... but I don't think this is a problem, because somebody has to be... why not the VQ?

However, I think the full item slots means that she doesn't suffer at all for this in the late game... pretenders like the Dragons, Bulls, Wyrm, ect... can whoop up on indies early too, but they are more limited in the later game(ie against other empires), because they can't increase their power as effectively with added items...

So take away her misc slots. See how popular she is.

[Taqwus]

The infamous Bogus the Troll Raider is substantially nastier than most non-unique independents (Bloodhenge Druids could perhaps be nasty if they get lucky with Bleed, say). The combination of good prot, high base hp, good combat stats, a wraith sword and good regeneration is harsh if you merely melee him with living troops.

Hm. Should vampires be ethereal? I'm not sure what source that would be based on, and it's a substantial boost against indies conveniently lacking magic weapons. Take that away, perhaps give them a 'change shape' order (wolf? bat?) if one must, *shrug*.

[AhhhFresh]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
Put an elemental armor on her, and minor magic resist equipment, and then just about the only thing that has a chance to hurt her is death magic. You can give her afflictions by cursing her and using very buff tramplers, but she'll get better in just a few turns.

There is nothing that you can put on her that can protect her from AP x3 Undead damage... unless invulnerability ignores AP effects? I can never find my manual when I need it *grumble*...