I dont understand Serpent Cataphracts

Nagot Gick Fel · #1 April 29th, 2004, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Pocus:
I feel like you are arguing for the sake of arguing Nagot (how do you say 'mauvaise foi' en anglais, Jacques? ).

What, you don't believe me when I say I used them in MP, and survived thanks to them? I don't argue out of thin air - it really happened and I'll do it again if need be. My cataphracts proved their usefulness on one occasion, and that one time is enough for me. I fully agree with you about them being subpar when compared to other national cavalry, but - I'm happy I could recruit them this time, or that might have been game over for me.

Maybe you'll understand that when your Pangaean neighbour, located 4 province away, decides to invade you as soon as turn 11, and you've got no battle magic to speak of (no Air Elementals I mean - after all it was a Dom 1 game

). 20+ war minotaurs backed by heavy Tangle Vine support (and I mean heavy) and a bunch of Maenads trashed all my infantry (even EGs defend very poorly vs trampling when entangled). Hydras weren't really an option. Size 3 cataphracts were what I really needed to destroy this army, and they did the job nicely - they killed almost all these War Minos by themselves.

Mauvaise foi? Moi????

E. Albright · #2 April 29th, 2004, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by Pocus:
(how do you say 'mauvaise foi' en anglais, Jacques? ).

Assuming that this question was not rhetorical (which it probably was), the phrase is transparent: 'bad faith'.

Jasper · #3 April 29th, 2004, 05:35 PM

I agree with NGF that the Cataphracts aren't so bad. Compared to Man's Knights they have a bunch of minor drawbacks: 2 points less Armor and Morale, a point less defense, only a light lance, and reptillian. Their bite is much better than a Knights hoof, plus they'll fight riderless.

Still, they are weak enough that I have never used them, and I could see them improved a bit, e.g. +2 morale and less resource cost. I don't think they need to be among the better HC however, as pythium has plenty of strength elsewhere.

Note that with the addition of light lances in 2.11, they are better than they were in Dom 1.

Nagot Gick Fel · #4 April 29th, 2004, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by E. Albright:

quote:
Originally posted by Pocus:
(how do you say 'mauvaise foi' en anglais, Jacques? ).

Assuming that this question was not rhetorical (which it probably was), the phrase is transparent: 'bad faith'.

'Mauvaise foi' is used in French to describe the behavior of someone who firmly supports a belief or point of view in a discussion, while thinking otherwise and not willing to admit it. I've seen an English translation some time ago, but I don't think it was 'bad faith'.

Daynarr · #5 April 29th, 2004, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
You do keep the lizard for the Serpent cult Version.

Last time I checked they would disappear after the battle. Maybe it has changed in Last few Versions?

Graeme Dice · #6 April 29th, 2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Daynarr:
Last time I checked they would disappear after the battle. Maybe it has changed in Last few Versions?

I had a riderless serpent in my army in the low magic serpent cult game I'm playing, so it seems to be the case now.

magnate · #7 April 29th, 2004, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:

quote:
Originally posted by E. Albright:

quote:
Originally posted by Pocus:
(how do you say 'mauvaise foi' en anglais, Jacques? ).

Assuming that this question was not rhetorical (which it probably was), the phrase is transparent: 'bad faith'.
'Mauvaise foi' is used in French to describe the behavior of someone who firmly supports a belief or point of view in a discussion, while thinking otherwise and not willing to admit it. I've seen an English translation some time ago, but I don't think it was 'bad faith'.

Devil's advocate?