I need suggestions ... Ulm against Mictlan...

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Cohen:
12 of my Black Knights had meet in battle his 12 Fiends of Darkness ... I lost all knights, he lost only 1 Fiend.

Where were your mages? Blade wind would have made short work of those.

I thought Ulm had good national troops cause the lack of serious magic, but it isn't so.

Ulm has mediocre troops with heavy armour, you have to work around that when you play them.

In other games too I founf my Ulmite armies slaughtered by summer lions, and devils (well I stopped summer lions by summoning Ether troops ... not Ethereal ... well they're ... the Ether Lord and his retinue.).

Ether lords are a huge waste of astral gems when you could have just put 5 smiths on the battlefield and have them bladewind all those low protection troops to death. Fiends and devils only have 8 protection, summer lions have 0 protection.

[Gateway103]

Originally posted by Cohen:
Well Mictlan has no national troops except some patrolling force there and there ...

He's attacking only with VQ, and Fiends.

So I'm almost doomed.

Depending on the relative # of provinces you each have, this may or may not help.

The VQ + Fiends army can only invade 1 province each turn (can they siege your castles? don't think so if you got decent # of troops inside...)

But since they have only some patrolling foreces here and there, and Mictlan PD isn't great, you can split your superior Ulmish army (since they are superior, you don't need as many troop in each sub-army) to invade say multiple provines of his per turn.

True, you won't destroy his VQ and Fiends this way, but you are destroying his empire and gem base (to lessen his ability to summon more Fiends). At the very least, this buys you time and resources to finally get rid of the VQ and Fiends.

Sometimes the goal is to destroy enemy forces. But sometimes an economic (money/resource/gem) warfare can just be as effective, or more so in the long term if you need to face other nations later. Afterall, destroying an empire to win a war is no victory.

Just a random thought. Hopefully it's not too late.

-Gateway103

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by tinkthank:
How late is it in the game? What do you have researched? Do you have any mages other than your dwarves? Who is your pretender? What is the VQ armed with?

It's Retarded, Part Duh. It's turn 20ish. His research is basically nonexistent. Mictlan outclasses him in research by 2:1. I wouldn't be surprised if an ice devil showed up soon.

Cohen, you are totally and utterly spooned. That's what you get for trying to fight a blood nation in Very Difficult Research.

[Pirateiam]

It's Retarded, Part Duh. It's turn 20ish. His research is basically nonexistent. Mictlan outclasses him in research by 2:1. I wouldn't be surprised if an ice devil showed up soon.

Cohen, you are totally and utterly spooned. That's what you get for trying to fight a blood nation in Very Difficult Research.

Let me guess - Norfleet is the Mictlan VQ

My only advice would be to try to forge Herald Lances to fight the devils and (the most underated strategy) beg your niegbors to help stop his expansion. Tell them you will be there forge whores for the rest of the game. If it works and later on you become strong enough, stop being their whores!

[ May 03, 2004, 01:55: Message edited by: Pirateiam ]

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Pirateiam:
Let me guess - Norfleet is the Mictlan VQ

Incorrectness. I am Ermor. Sergex is Mictlan. This is the same game that another related thread has been started about another war with me against Rabe.

Originally posted by Pirateiam:
My only advice would be to try to forge Herald Lances to fight the devils and (the most underated strategy) beg your niegbors to help stop his expansion.

His neighbors, seeing the imminent collapse of his empire, are attacking him as well in an attempt to grab as much territory as possible to stabilize their own borders, rather than letting Mictlan have it all.

[ May 03, 2004, 04:29: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Pirateiam]

His neighbors, seeing the imminent collapse of his empire, are attacking him as well in an attempt to grab as much territory as possible to stabilize their own borders, rather than letting Mictlan have it all.

Ummmm then my advice would be to batten down the hatches put the moat bridge up, go down in the castle wine cellar and pop open those bottles you were saving, drink yourself into oblivion....looks like your toast.

[PvK]

Sometimes when you're toast, you're toast. With time to prepare, it's not such a hard problem. I don't think Blade Winds is likely to do much to Fiends of Darkness, though.

Call in the priests. The Smite Demon spell would be handy, if you were Iron Faith. (Those players who think Iron Faith is weaker than base Ulm, notice this.) Priests are good not only for banish attacks, but also to fight the VQ's dominion. VQ will be loathe to fight outside her dominion, where her immortality is void. Mictlan needs to use blood slaves, priests, temples to keep up dominion.

Attacking on multiple fronts is also a good idea, since Mictlan probably has a limited number of demon hordes.

Various anti-demon/undead magic weapons are good ideas, especially since Ulm has forging discounts.

I think though that enough heavy infantry of Ulm in a block would be an effective and cheap enough obstacle for Fiends of Darkness - just keep their morale up with Sermons of Courage and keep your leaders from getting caught unguarded by the Fiends.

PvK