Worst Summon ??

[NTJedi]

The Ivy Kings still seems a better deal then the any of the Treelords and able to match the Treelords magic with a single thistle weapon.

I believe to make the Treelords worth considering they should make one or more following changes:

1) Add more miscelaneous slots
(with all those branches should have 4 instead of 2)
2) Add more life, defense and/or attacks
(if they cannot move make them more of a threat for the province they're stuck in)
3) /ideas others can provide/

[ May 17, 2004, 20:11: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

[Kel]

While I think the basis for the values of a summon should not be based on unusual circumstances, as is the Treelords, I have actually used them once or twice now.

Basically, I didn't have high nature mages, except for my pretender and I had better things to do with my pretender than summon tarrasque. Additionally, i had a site with conjuration bonus but none with Construction. So I summoned one Treelord and let him summon tarrasque after that (note that one of the treelords is actually 5N, though I didn't get that one).

Now, i could have forged items to do it but it would have cost a good bit more.

I don't think it qualifies it as a good summons at all...but I felt obliged to mention the one case where I found a use for it

- Kel

[NTJedi]

Originally posted by Kel:
While I think the basis for the values of a summon should not be based on unusual circumstances, as is the Treelords, I have actually used them once or twice now.

Basically, I didn't have high nature mages, except for my pretender and I had better things to do with my pretender than summon tarrasque. Additionally, i had a site with conjuration bonus but none with Construction. So I summoned one Treelord and let him summon tarrasque after that (note that one of the treelords is actually 5N, though I didn't get that one).

Now, i could have forged items to do it but it would have cost a good bit more.

I don't think it qualifies it as a good summons at all...but I felt obliged to mention the one case where I found a use for it

- Kel

For less gems you could have done exactly the same thing by summoning an Ivy King then given him the item(s) which raise nature magic. Even adding the cost of the forged items still makes the Ivy King cheaper.

[ May 17, 2004, 20:28: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

[Kel]

[quote]Originally posted by NTJedi:

For less gems you could have done exactly the same thing by summoning an Ivy King then given him the item(s) which raise nature magic. Even adding the cost of the forged items still makes the Ivy King cheaper.

Not true !

I had a 30 conj site. Thus, Treelord = 35 gems. 66% chance I need a 1 N enhancer. 33% chance I don't and I can start summoning next turn instead of forging. So average cost is 35 gems + 2/3rds of a moonvine (18 gems). Total = 53 gems.

Ivy King = 14 gems
Plus Treelords = 40 gems
Total = 54 gems + it takes longer to get to summoning.

Could have done moonvines + thistle mace but it would have taken even longer to get to the summoning of Tarrasques.

- Kel

edited some mistakes.

[ May 17, 2004, 21:18: Message edited by: Kel ]

[odd_enuf]

treelords are enchantments, not conjurations, so a conjuration site wouldn't help.

odd_enuf

[Kel]

Doh, entirely true, my mistake.

Otoh, if I had an enchantment site (I didn't), wouldn't that make it even more clear cut sinec Ivy King wouldn't get a discount at all ?

- Kel

[PvK]

Originally posted by Master Shake:
Personally, I love cave drakes for early Ulm expansion. They are awesome for soaking up indy missles, and cavalry charges. Even with a handful of afflications, their role as a pin cushion is unparalleled.

I agree. I've mentioned Podarkes, my elite Cave Drake flying carpet commando squad leader, before.

PvK