upkeep

[NTJedi]

It would be nice if there was a list available where gamers could see the upkeep of all summoned units.
Or at least a list of which ones have zero upkeep.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by NTJedi:
It would be nice if there was a list available where gamers could see the upkeep of all summoned units.
Or at least a list of which ones have zero upkeep.

There *IS* one. Zen had a big list somewhere. You can probably get it from Arryn's server whose name eludes me at the moment. Or somewhere.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by NTJedi:
It would be nice if there was a list available where gamers could see the upkeep of all summoned units.
Or at least a list of which ones have zero upkeep.

That's the Summoned Creature Quick Reference (SCQR).

A shorter Version is that the only summons that cost upkeep are both kinds of trolls, black hawks, and some of the things you get with crossbreeding.

[Boron]

Originally posted by Zen:
Trolls/Sea Trolls that have a liability? OMG! That shouldn't be!

While there are plenty of people who seem to think the cost is not worth the effect on Trolls or Sea Trolls, thare are another Category of people who think that with their upkeep they disallow certain strategies (ever notice how well Trolls rebuild castle walls?) and make you take a posture if you wish to use them (offensive). While it may be a little harsh it's still managable.

you're just kidding or ?
what's so special with trolls / sea trolls ?
only special thing is the 1 water gem / turn via the sea troll king . if they are upkeepfree perhaps this should be altered.
but otherwise ?
for 45water/earthgems you get 15 trolls + 1 king . the trolls themselves are not very strong ihmo .
for 30 death you get 20 wights e.g. which are far stronger .
the kings are nice but they can't summon allies and i think aren't too good sc's either so all thems pretty ok to me . a airqueen e.g. which could summon allies 10 turns should easily beat a troll king with his 15 trolls .

and best thing it would give water magic some amphibian summons . i always read ppl complaining water magic is too weak . upkeepfree sea trolls would enchance it quite ihmo .
but i can't see why a troll king with his 15 trolls is better than e.g. 20 wights + 1 bane lord which has comparable costs : 40 death compared to 45 earth/water

You would know better than I.

[NTJedi]

The Sea Troll King is usually good during a game... sometimes he becomes my prophet too.

The regular Troll King I rarely summon myself... since they can flee because of morale and have an upkeep of 4. The 15 trolls is 60 upkeep plus the upkeep of the king is enough to buy a temple after 3 turns.

With almost every unit I summon or purchase... its important to me that as many of them survive as long as possible.


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I also found Zen creature reference guide... double thanks for info.

[ July 13, 2004, 20:14: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

[Endoperez]

Boron: Conjuration 9 is HIGH. At that level summons are meant to be very cost-effective, worth every gem you use. Wights are. (Sea) Trolls are nice mid-game, and might be the one thing that forces you to defend instead of researching, or that kills you before you get access to Wights. Also, if you have the right mages and want to use them for summoning instead of researching, you can summon one trolls for one gem. With, say, 10 national mages summoning trolls for three turns you get 30 trolls for 30 gems. It is slower, but very cost-efficient in gems, although less so in mage time. All those mages could be doing something else, like forging, fighting or researching, or searching for sites.

Besides, recruiting trolls for 0gp/piece would become boring after a while, don't you think?