get that bull out of my grove!

[djtool]

yikes! here, take my bong [/QB]

haha. no thanks but i got a good laugh out of that. Its not like i'm *really mad.

Yeah you can get some forging out of that guy, but that's sad that its the highlight of what he can offer you. I also think using him for his blood magic is clumsy at best. Not only are you completely wrecking your population every turn (its my personal belief that your dominion should be no less than 8), your only getting a smattering of summons. Not so hot for combat blood spells either since those research points are needed elsewhere.

suggestions for a replacement hero? I guess a carrion lord hero would be appropriate. Or a black dryad.

[ July 19, 2004, 22:16: Message edited by: djtool ]

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by djtool:
Yeah you can get some forging out of that guy, but that's sad that its the highlight of what he can offer you.

Hey, at least he offers THAT much. Some national heroes offer you even less. Take, for example, th Caelumian hero, Caelos. He gives you a P2...who isn't flying. As if you didn't already have flying, stealthy P3s. He has no research ability, so he doesn't even contribute that much. He's clearly more mediocre than the Bull.

[Blitz]

WTF? That bull is good. Hell any unit with decent hps and some magic skill is a potential SC. Tell you what, I'll trade you for "The monster in the maze" from Arco Golden Era.

[Cohen]

Think on to Ulmish Heroes, default and IF ...

All knights with some better stats than their comerander not uniques...

I believe Ulm could have a Forge Master blacksmith hero with 50% Forge Bonus for default, and an Uber-Priest lvl 4 at least for the IF. IF should need too a templar national hero sacred.

[djtool]

hey i'm not trying to start a 'my theme has worse heroes than yours' argument. All i'm saying is that the bull....for CW...is kinda bull.

[ July 20, 2004, 01:35: Message edited by: djtool ]

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by djtool:
hey i'm not trying to start a 'my theme has worse heroes than yours' argument. All i'm saying is that the bull....for CW...is kinda bull.

It's still a _free_ N3 mage, with level 3 in an additional path of magic. Considering that CW's Panic Apostate's cost 320 gold, and CW has a problem with income, it's not bad.

Sure - it would be better if it were a heroic Panic Apostate, with just a little something extra - N3D2E1 say. Or with assassin ability, or H2. Or a special Carrion Lord, with some death magic in addition to nature.

But - it's still a perfectly fine hero for CW as is.

[Tuna-Fish]

Originally posted by Cohen:

I believe Ulm could have a Forge Master blacksmith hero with 50% Forge Bonus for default

And you give him the Hammer of cyclops and forge everything for free? Perhaps not...