OT: Jibjab, Politics, the Big Bang and more!

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Huzurdaddi:
BWHAHAH! I stated some examples, friend. Sorry you could not counter them.

Anecdotal examples are not evidence, nor are they statistics.

The sad truth is that Canadian medical facilities are woefully under equiped vs. the US ones, further the Canadian staff members are simply inferior, on average, to the us staff members.

Once again, please provide actual evidence that this is the case instead of simply stating it to be true.

You are quite comical. Indeed the US tort system PROTECTS those who get treatment here. I'm sorry to say that you have no idea what you are talking about.

No, all you've shown is that the U.S. tort system is as litiguous and broken as ever. Lawsuits after the fact do not protect those people that experienced harm in the first place.

Wow. All I can say is that you are either willfully ignorant or I totally misjudged your SES. If it is the latter I am sorry.

SES? Please don't use meaningless acronyms.

I am not willfully ignorant, I am telling you that I do not know anyone that has gone to the U.S. for treatment. I'm also still waiting for something other than your baseless assertion that this is anywhere near as prevalent as you seem to think it is.

Come on, I've provided my statistics, where are yours.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by vigabrand:
I think the evidence is pretty poignant. The economy is surging, because people used the money to pay their bills or buy things.

I think that a much more likely reason for the economy to be surging is that the government has added over a hundred billion dollars into the economy through deficit spending.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
I think that a much more likely reason for the economy to be surging is that the government has added over a hundred billion dollars into the economy through deficit spending.

To add to this, for the sake of attempting to educate Viga, that deficit spending was/is the Iraq situation. And the surge is mainly in defense-related industries, and the local areas the plants are located in. Atlanta happens to be one of those fortunate areas. Houston isn't, hence I'm not reaping the alleged benefits of the government's (unsound) policy of mortgaging the future to cater to the present.

[archaeolept]

yah, massive deficit spending is the traditional way to get the economy revving. spend now, pay later. the hundreds of billions in deficit spending this Last year quite dwarf the few billion in tax cuts.

as to canadians going down to the states for medical care, I can't say i've ever known anyone to do that either. I'm sure it happens, especially for rare procedures, but it doesn't seem to be statistically significant.

as to our doctors and nurses being inferior to american health care workers, that's just silly. If it were true, they wouldn't be in such demand down in the states.

statistics fairly consistently show Canadians as being healthier and having somewhat higher life expectancies than Americans.



[ July 27, 2004, 17:58: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

[Huzurdaddi]

Anecdotal examples are not evidence, nor are they statistics.

They are indeed evidence. They are not statistics.

Once again, please provide actual evidence that this is the case instead of simply stating it to be true.

Google it yourself willfully ignorant boy.

Lawsuits after the fact do not protect those people that experienced harm in the first place.

Lawsuits ( a ) give compensation for damage , ( b ) provide a strong disincentive to perform malpractice and ( c ) remove people who commit malpractice from the medical system.

But, of course, you know this. Much like you know that Canada's health system is worthless compared to the US system *if* you can pay in the US.

SES? Please don't use meaningless acronyms

Ahh I see your definition of meaningless. If you do not understand something it is meaningless. If you disagee with something being evidence it is not. I think I start to understand.

Come on, I've provided my statistics, where are yours.

And I explained why the statistics you provided show that free medical coverage increases aggregate health figures. However that does not mean that the health system is "better." Of course as always you fail to realize this.

How lame.

[archaeolept]

uh, huzurdaddi, your response is itself quite lame, as you still have provided no evidence for your claims. and i have no ****ing clue what SES stands for either. perhaps it is an americanism?

edit: the top google results for "ses" involve geosyncronous satellites, New South Wales State Emergency Service, school evaluation service, standards engineering society...

They are indeed evidence.

yes, bad evidence

"Well, Your Honor. We've plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are kinds of evidence." - Lionel Hutz

[ July 27, 2004, 18:16: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

[vigabrand]

Originally posted by Arryn:

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Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
I think that a much more likely reason for the economy to be surging is that the government has added over a hundred billion dollars into the economy through deficit spending.

To add to this, for the sake of attempting to educate Viga, that deficit spending was/is the Iraq situation. And the surge is mainly in defense-related industries, and the local areas the plants are located in. Atlanta happens to be one of those fortunate areas. Houston isn't, hence I'm not reaping the alleged benefits of the government's (unsound) policy of mortgaging the future to cater to the present.

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First off, you aren't educating anyone. These are the same arguments leftists made when Reagan did the same thing. Sorry to burst your bubble, but those policies led to the good economy of the 90's. That and a repulican controlled Congress. Iraq is not the only thing causing deficit spending, perhaps you were not paying attention when Bush aided Ted Kennedy in the largest education bill ever. Perhaps you were sleeping when Bush got the prescription drup program passed. Congressional spending is rampant and I'm not happy with a lot of Bushes domestic spending, but I whole heartedly support spending in Iraq and wherever we decide to kick butt. Iraq aside, spending has got to be curbed and the budget balanced, WITH tax cuts. There is plenty of room to trim the fat while leaving more money for us to fuel the economy. You guys might argue that the gov't is what fueled the economy, but again I say, ask the experts. All consumer product selling companies are reporting greater earnings since the tax cuts, as are consumer creditors, real esatate is on the rise, tech is slowly recovering, health care is on the rise (private). Not everyone is feeling the effects, but most Americans are.