your favourite 2.12 vq nation

[Boron]

to be brief i only listed nations .
if i had listed all themes the number would have increased to about 25.

in question 1 + 2 you may chose as many answers as you want , in question 3 only 1 .

[Cainehill]

My favorite VQ nation is Marignon.

[Boron]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
My favorite VQ nation is Marignon.

lol
vq would fit great into diabolic faith but is not allowed

[archaeolept]

VQ is still a viable choice. It is pricey though, so any nation which allows you to play w/ crap scales will be good.

[Zapmeister]

I only ever take the VQ with BF Ulm because I think she's thematic for that race/theme.

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
I only ever take the VQ with BF Ulm because I think she's thematic for that race/theme.

I agree with Zapmestier. VQ is still overpowered, if you know well how to design and play her, even after the Last patch - although it is now significantly better than before, thanks to devs. But it is indeed quite thematic for BF, and BF could use some boost. For all other themes I would frown on VQs in the games that I orginize/play.

[Boron]

Originally posted by Stormbinder:

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Originally posted by Zapmeister:
I only ever take the VQ with BF Ulm because I think she's thematic for that race/theme.

I agree with Zapmestier. VQ is still overpowered, if you know well how to design and play her, even after the Last patch - although it is now significantly better than before, thanks to devs. But it is indeed quite thematic for BF, and BF could use some boost. For all other themes I would frown on VQs in the games that I orginize/play.

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hm yeah for pan cw and the like the vq is still too good . almost 50% have voted that they build their nation around the vq and not the other way round .
perhaps that is really a sign that vq is still too good .
i like the vq a lot ( i started playing in 2.12 so i never saw a pre 2.12 vq ) but i have to admit that she really is a small bit too good still .

i have thought of how to make a lich ( for ryleh e.g. ) a semivq at least midgame but he would need so pricy equipment that it is not worth it .
with no regeneration + a dagger as starting weapon i think it is impossible to use him as an indyexpansion earlygame sc .
no other sc can be used as riskless for early game expansion because all others have either always the small risk to gain a really nasty battle affliction or they have recuperation / immortality but are otherwise too weak to be used as sc .

perhaps i should start a new poll asking about the vq , nerfing it down a little bit more by the following :
forbidding her for most nations . only allow her for thematic natioins :
pan cw , ermor , bf ulm , abysia .
at least disallow her for pythium , caelum , arco .
increase her path costs to 60 or 70 .

this way the basic high dominion , 2-3 E , optional 2-3 A , 2+D , 1+B , 2+ W vq will be really hard to pay for e.g. pythium/caelum and so still be worth it for ermor but not be imbalanced (+ very thematic ) .

but at the moment she still is perhaps a slightly too good pretender for the races which can afford lousy scales .


do you think i should try to make a new thread / poll which perhaps results in small changes which balance the vq even more ?