Underestimate the AI: Reap the consequences.

Lex · #1 August 2nd, 2004, 07:39 AM

Commander: "Hey Mage-Priest, your combat script orders you to be casting Thunder Strike right about now."

Mage-Priest: "But there's a hundred or so undead out there. I should be casting Banishment instead!"

Commander: "Listen you ungrateful AI, who dropped out of the game and made YOU God?! Just follow the orders!"

ahh.. you know you're a geek when you're making bad game jokes at 3am

Yossar · #2 August 2nd, 2004, 07:43 AM

A bit off topic but another case of underestimating the AI. Playing Multiplayer with independent strength 7 and very difficult research, and BE Ermor goes AI on turn 2 or 3. By turn 14 Ermor hasn't left his castle. His army is slowly growing but I figured it might just be someone stuck summoning spectral velites. I figured the AI had given up and so I attack his capital. But to my surprise he has troops patrolling the province and I lose. He then counterattacks on the next two turns. I guess I should have expected that but how can you go thirteen turns without taking a single province, even on independent strength 7??? None of them had anything too powerful in them.

Stormbinder · #3 August 2nd, 2004, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by Norfleet:

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Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Yes, but your army would do the excatly the same if you scripted you mages to "cast spells". Or leave than at "none", which would be the same. So you have an option of archiveing the same result, if you choose to.

Not quite: Also, there's one key difference: YOU, the person who actually runs the army, don't get to pick the spells, where the AI, which also happens to be the player, DOES.

Norfleet, you are really dumb. There is only *one* tactical dinamic AI in Dom2 program. You are confusuing it with strategic AI (your opponent).

You, as a player, have an option to use this dynamic tactical AI routine at any time, by scripting you mages to "spells". Your computer opponent *always* use the same tactical AI routine that you have access to. So if you script mages to spell, the *same* dynamic AI alhoritms will control *both* sides, with possible very rare exception that is the topic of this thread. But in any case the spell selection will use the same dinamic AI routine for both you and your opponent. Got it?

[ August 02, 2004, 09:08: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

pinko commie · #4 August 2nd, 2004, 11:57 AM

Sounds like advantages for AI that humans dont have is a Good Thing.

I think Stormbinder got it right, too, in pointing out the difference between "AI" in the sense of dynamic tactical battle control and "AI" in the sense of "strategic player ersatz" -- but there is no need for name-calling and flaming, is there?

Arryn · #5 August 2nd, 2004, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by pinko commie:
but there is no need for name-calling and flaming, is there?

Stormy and Norfy have a 'history' of mutual ... antagonism. I'm afraid that any calls for reason, calm, and restraint will fall upon deaf ears.

Stormbinder · #6 August 2nd, 2004, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by pinko commie:
Sounds like advantages for AI that humans dont have is a Good Thing.

I think Stormbinder got it right, too, in pointing out the difference between "AI" in the sense of dynamic tactical battle control and "AI" in the sense of "strategic player ersatz" -- but there is no need for name-calling and flaming, is there?

In general - I would agree with you Pinko. But Norfleet is a special case. I strongly despite cheaters and think that they deserve to be flamed. And besides Norfleet is indeed dumb, I had to explain three times thing that is pretty obvious, as you can see yourslef.

[ August 02, 2004, 13:43: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Gandalf Parker · #7 August 2nd, 2004, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by Arryn:

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Originally posted by pinko commie:
but there is no need for name-calling and flaming, is there?

Stormy and Norfy have a 'history' of mutual ... antagonism. I'm afraid that any calls for reason, calm, and restraint will fall upon deaf ears.

However they should be aware that they endanger the thread everytime they do it. Any thread which degenerates into name calling with no discussion beneficial to the board.. well.. just doesnt need to be on the board. Why store a thread which only gives bad impressions of the forum.

[ August 02, 2004, 14:33: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]