Underestimate the AI: Reap the consequences.

A heavy handed approach would be to ban the offending parties Arryn. I am not going to spend my time in moderation of this Board selectiely pruning away certain Posts of certain people (who consistantly post the same things). Maybe with your constant suggestions that I could do things for this board, (such as take extremely poorly worded and antogonistical 'wish lists' and clean them up for developers to take an look at regardless of how they are approached) and community I don't have the time or desire to take it to that personal level.

This is not kindergarden, but if people wish to approach it like kindergarden they will be treated like children. If people can act like mature adults who simply have a difference of opinion (which is most of those who choose to read the Boards) then there would never be a reason to lock a thread based on personal insults and attacks.

But since I don't want to be seen as targeting single individuals particular Posts (Cainehill, Storm, Norfleet, yours) as some sort of vendetta I will allow the poorly worded Posts to stay (until there is a forum software change) and lock threads that people feel the need to taint with their personal venom.

While I respect your opinion of how you think things should be done, I don't have the time to prune, then send PM's, then delete the 'replacement Posts' then the prune the flame Posts for 'singling out' people and other such things. Perhaps if you feel that way, you could try talking to those who constantly barrage us with their immature behavior and get them to treat each other with at least enough respect that they don't feel they need to insult each other at every concievable opportunity.

[PrinzMegaherz]

Originally written by Boron:
[Roll Eyes]

i think here you don't get norfleets point :
i understand it that norfleet means :

the ai can give orders to each unit the whole battle while you can only give indirect orders for the first 5 actions .

under this viewpoint norfleets statement is quite true and even wisely [Big Grin]

so the ai has full control of every unit while you have only really little control for the first few turns if you give orders yourself .

Sorry Boron, but I think Stormbinder is correct.
If no orders are given, Both your units as well as those of your AI enemy will use the same Algorythms to determin what to do. But you can override this for the first five turns which can give you an advantage. The AI obviously can't override itself.

[NTJedi]

Cheezeninja... of course what could have happened is if you placed guards around a few of your commanders in the back. Then when the harpies were set for hold and attack rear the harpies attacked the rear most which were the few guards standing near the commanders.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by PrinzMegaherz:
If no orders are given, Both your units as well as those of your AI enemy will use the same Algorythms to determin what to do. But you can override this for the first five turns which can give you an advantage. The AI obviously can't override itself.

Unfortunately, this works entirely in his favor, because now the AI is controlling BOTH of your units. Thus, the AI always has full control, and can do whatever it wishes, whereas you can't.

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Boron:

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Originally posted by Stormbinder:

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Originally posted by Norfleet:
You're missing the point that in this case, the AI still controls its own units. You don't.

LOL. And he is still not geting it. Oh well, since I wouldn't want to continue what some people feel is namecalling, all I can say is: No future comments.

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i think here you don't get norfleets point :
i understand it that norfleet means :

the ai can give orders to each unit the whole battle while you can only give indirect orders for the first 5 actions .

under this viewpoint norfleets statement is quite true and even wisely

so the ai has full control of every unit while you have only really little control for the first few turns if you give orders yourself .

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Oh, I understand what Norfleet means very well Boron. It is he who is not able to grasp my explanations.

Norfleet is simply confused by his own terminology. He thinks that because both tactical AI, which is more precisely just an automatic battlefield spell selection algoritm, and Strategic AI - who is your real computer opponent , are both programs and can be both roughly called "AI", that means that they are somehow part of the same evil "computer opponent", who is out there to get him.

As a senior software engineer with background in AI programming, I can tell you that tactical AI and Strategic AI have absolutely nothing to do with each other. "Tactical AI" is just a simple tool, which works exactly the same for all human and computer players, and which can be used by both your and Strategic AI - who is your real opponent.

Botton line is - the tactical battlefield AI do not give any unfair advantage to computer opponents. It works exactly the same for human and computer opponents, and humans have an option to using it from the begining, by switiching mages to "spells", if they choose to. Unlike computer-controlled players though, humans can also scrip first 5 spells manualy, if they choose to. Strategic AI obviosly lack this option, by being, duh, AI.

[ August 02, 2004, 23:37: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

[PrinzMegaherz]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Unfortunately, this works entirely in his favor, because now the AI is controlling BOTH of your units. Thus, the AI always has full control, and can do whatever it wishes, whereas you can't.

Either you are making a joke here or you have a wrong understanding on what tha AI actually is.

You make it sound as if the AI tried to make you lose by giving your troops bad commands. That's wrong. The AI is not some kind of entity inside your PC that is out there to beat you. Your troops will be given those commands that the AI assumes is best suited for your success. She does this for both sites, so there is really no advantage for anyone. Lets say that both armies are equally skillfully lead. If you script your own command chain, you will propably make a script that is supperior compared to those the AI does, giving you an advantage.

[Boron]

don't want to quote again stormbinder this would fill the half page
hm i really thought that perhaps really the computer opponent tactical ai is another a bit cleverer than your own tactical ai if you either don't script or if 5 turns have passed .

because i think that would be fair if the ai has a slightly better battlefield ai then the player battlefield ai so that there are 2 slightly different battlefield ais .

so i thought perhaps norfleet has discovered this . in the starting of the post too the guess was made the computer ai may perhaps still use dominion 1 battle orders .

so it was basically wish thinking by me
ai's just need some advantages to be really competetive for expierienced players