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August 9th, 2004, 12:08 AM
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Re: Ermor in Battlefield 2nd Tournament game
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Fascinating. I too want to steer clear of anything accusative, but this has got me thinking to what would or would not be possible if anyone should discover how to hack the .2h file.
Most game state information is going to be on the server, but the one thing that the server needs from the client is unit orders.
Suppose I was able to alter my .2h file so that my indy commander (say) had the order "Forge Ring of Wizardry". It would be hard or impossible for the server to calculate whether I had actually spent gems in the process, and it probably doesn't check to see if the commander had astral level 5 either, as it trusts the Dominions client to check that sort of thing. Comments?
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August 9th, 2004, 12:17 AM
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Re: Ermor in Battlefield 2nd Tournament game
You would need the fatherland file to do this type of thing. Unless Norfleet has access to the Fatherland file then it is a hard thing for him to generate cheat hacks with just the 2h file.
This thread is a hair from being closed, for any interested parties, you can discuss it at/around your own watering holes for anything personal or inflammatory. Or, for even more drastic measures of accusatory cheating, try sending the fatherland file and 2h files from the server (I assume Mosenhansen) to IW for a looksy. Their Email is info@illwinter.com
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August 9th, 2004, 12:20 AM
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Re: Ermor in Battlefield 2nd Tournament game
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You would need the fatherland file to do this type of thing.
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Are you sure? That was my point, really, that only the state of the game between turns can be stored in the ftherlnd file. Unit orders appear only in the .2h file, and it's hard to tell from the game state whether they were issued legally.
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August 9th, 2004, 12:25 AM
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Re: Ermor in Battlefield 2nd Tournament game
From my tweaking with 2h files, I have found they go corrupted or are overwritten by the fatherland file on turn generation. Though *concievably* (as in, a meteor is going to crash into the earth ... tommorow concievably) you might be able to change it and make it not be overlapped by the fatherland file turn generation or force it to generate a certain type or thing. But I don't know for sure and anything is possible.
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August 9th, 2004, 04:08 PM
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Re: Ermor in Battlefield 2nd Tournament game
The full game with fatherland file has been recieved. We have checked for gem usage inconsistencies. Here are some numbers.
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Summoned commanders (cost in gems):
4 Wraith Senator (100 D)
3 Spectator (36 D)
46 Dusk Elders (920 D)
- 2 empowered 1 step (60)
- 1 empowered 2 steps (75)
- 2 empowered in new paths (100)
27 Spectral Mages (270 D)
- 2 empowered from 2 to 3 (90 D)
3 Wraith Consuls (105 D)
2 Bane Lords (10 D)
2 Queen of Elemental Air (100 A)
This sums up to
1531 Death gems
100 Air gems
135 gems for empowerment
Norfleet the Ghost King - F4A5W4E4D5N3 (?)
Some items:
- 9 Wraith swords, 3 standard of damned (150 D * 0.75)
- 18 Dwarven Hammers
- 35 Clams
- no fever fetishes at a quick glance (one being made)
Gem income: 55 (15 Death) + 35 clam pearls
Sorceresses: none
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Regarding Raven Feast. sqrt(unburied)/3 = gems.
Thus 14.400 unburied (pop loss of 144.000) needed for 40 death gems.
Keep further discussions on the matter civil, please.
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August 9th, 2004, 04:29 PM
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Re: Ermor in Battlefield 2nd Tournament game
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August 9th, 2004, 04:52 PM
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Re: Ermor in Battlefield 2nd Tournament game
Isn't 325 gems of Empowerment and not 135 ???
After, I didn't understood very well the formula for Raven Feast, even if I've done some trials.
May Illwinter Staff tells us the results of the check of unconsistencies?
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August 9th, 2004, 05:28 PM
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Re: Ermor in Battlefield 2nd Tournament game
yes, well.
I guess I can't say its much of a surprise. just a bit sad.
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August 9th, 2004, 06:32 PM
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Re: Ermor in Battlefield 2nd Tournament game
The real truth is stranger than the cover, and by far less plausible. I wouldn't believe it myself, and it's not something I control. Suffice it to say I am leaving Dominions II, as no explanation is going to satisfy you.
Goodbye.
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August 9th, 2004, 06:37 PM
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Re: Ermor in Battlefield 2nd Tournament game
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The real truth is stranger than the cover, and by far less plausible. I wouldn't believe it myself, and it's not something I control. Suffice it to say I am leaving Dominions II, as no explanation is going to satisfy you.
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Oh, you tease. Now everyone's all curious.
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