Dominion Vs Military

[magnate]

I disagree with Pickles - I always choose Dom 9 or 10 in SP if I can afford it. It makes a big difference to a lot of little things - you'd be amazed at the number of spells or effects that are bigger and better in your dominion (or don't work at all outside it). I need hardly any scouts when my dom is so strong that I get very accurate reports of neighbouring provs. Unrest goes away faster, so income comes quicker. All my summoned commanders have 2x hp. It's particularly useful at the moment where I'm up against Ermor, who also has strong dominion, and his gets him free troops.

What interests me is how many castles MP players seem to build - in SP I hardly ever need to build castles because there's always an AI capital to take when I need one! If I ever get into MP I'll have to read up on castling ....

CC

[Pickles]

magnate said
"I disagree with Pickles"

No you don't . Building lots of temples is irrelevant in SP as the AI does not defend his or preach much. So your dominion will spread for free - especially if set at 9+. And its benefits are the same in SP - at least offensively - the AI will never try to squeeze you or spam immortals etc.

I am not sure why your summoned commanders get more HP in dominion either are you sure? (hot things like hot better etc but more HP?)

Pickles

[Boron]

Pickles said:
magnate said
"I disagree with Pickles"

No you don't . Building lots of temples is irrelevant in SP as the AI does not defend his or preach much. So your dominion will spread for free - especially if set at 9+. And its benefits are the same in SP - at least offensively - the AI will never try to squeeze you or spam immortals etc.

I am not sure why your summoned commanders get more HP in dominion either are you sure? (hot things like hot better etc but more HP?)

Pickles

i think magnate means together with GoH because it works only in friendly dominion

[Arryn]

Pickles said:
Building lots of temples is irrelevant in SP as the AI does not defend his or preach much. So your dominion will spread for free - especially if set at 9+. And its benefits are the same in SP - at least offensively - the AI will never try to squeeze you

1. The AI doesn't preach (or preach much) because it doesn't need to. The AI spams temple-building instead.

2. Your dominion will not spread for 'free'. Dominion spreads outwards a maximum of two provinces away from dominion sources (temples, prophet, pretender). So you need to have temples strategically placed to act as centers for that spread. Having more temples than the minimum needed to blanket your nation will boost the spread of dominion faster.

3. The AI *will* try to squeeze you with dominion. As I said in #1 above, the AI builds lots of temples. It does not attempt, deliberately, to kill you via dominion, but it might do so incidentally if you take no steps to counter it.

4. The AI does not defend its temples with castles as many humans do, but as a general rule it does keep non-PD garrisons in provinces with temples. It does not always do so, but it does often enough that you cannot assume that temple provinces will be nearly-free pickings.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Arryn said:
2. Your dominion will not spread for 'free'. Dominion spreads outwards a maximum of two provinces away from dominion sources (temples, prophet, pretender).

I don't know who told you that, but next time you meet this person don't forget to tell him there's no such limit.

[Arryn]

Nagot Gick Fel said:

I don't know who told you that, but next time you meet this person don't forget to tell him there's no such limit.

It's in Ceremony's dominion .PDF, in the description of the spread of dominion due to "temple checks". Nowhere in the document does it describe a cascading dominion spread that you claim can happen (which is the only way for dominion to spread 2+ provinces away from a dominion source). Until the devs say otherwise, I'll take Ceremony's word on the mechanism.

Oh, and I miswrote my post. The maximum is 1 away (ie: adjacent), not 2. I was mistakenly including the source province in the radius.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Arryn said:
Until the devs say otherwise, I'll take Ceremony's word on the mechanism.

It takes 5 minutes to test. I'm contemplating a game where I just sat on my capital and force-generated 100 turns, and I can see my dominion up to 11 provinces away.

[Cainehill]

Arryn said:
2. Your dominion will not spread for 'free'. Dominion spreads outwards a maximum of one province away from dominion sources (temples, prophet, pretender).

Ouch. So, all the temples I built in back provinces in several games are useless, except for raising the max dominion push of the pretender and prophet?

[Arryn]

Cainehill said:
Ouch. So, all the temples I built in back provinces in several games are useless, except for raising the max dominion push of the pretender and prophet?

If what Nagot says is true (and I see no reason to doubt his veracity), then Ceremony's doc is in serious need of amending, and those of us who've relied upon it for the conduct of our campaigns may have wasted a great deal of time and wealth. Contrary to the doc, if a province's dominion "fills up", it will continue to spill over into successive provinces ad infinitum, in an expanding ripple, without the need for a "temple check" in that, or a directly-adjacent, province. This is the best way to explain dominion spread as Nagot is asserting. The only other way, that of the game checking for dominion push from a source out to *all* provinces, for each and every check, makes even less sense and would eat up enormous amounts of CPU time.