Dammit

[Arryn]

The Panther said:
Sounds to me like you didn't really play Warcraft 3 if you never went to MP. War 3 MP is extremely good, even though SP ain't all that great. Sounds like it was a GOOD ASSumption after all.

You, too, are making bad assumptions. It is perfectly valid to judge a game based on its SP value, alone. The majority of computer game players play only in SP. You may not like to admit it, but MP players are a minority, albeit a large and disproportionately vocal one. There are plenty of games that are good in SP and great in MP (such as Diablo 2, Call of Duty, Dom 2, just to name three) that I needn't waste time with those that suck in SP and *might* be better than sucky in MP.

The Panther said:
Someone earlier in this thread said that concrete suggestions should be proposed for consideration by the devs instead of whining.

I said it.

[Pickles]

Arryn said:
It is perfectly valid to judge a game based on its SP value, alone.

It is, but the games are fundamentally different - both Dom2 & WarcraftIII are better MP (going from dire to excellent in both cases).

Your analysis of Warcraft (more or bigger sticks) just does not sound like the Warcraft I played where you want the right stick for the job.

Arryn said:
It is perfectly valid to judge a game based on its SP value, alone. The majority of computer game players play only in SP.

Computer games are like sex, even when you are playing SP you are thinking about MP.

Pickles

[Arryn]

Pickles said:
Computer games are like sex, even when you are playing SP you are thinking about MP.

A stereotypical male fantasy. It's particularly rampant amongst those that are relationship-challenged and spend too much time in auto-erotic endeavors.

Quality is more important than quantity. It applies to both sex and computer games, though it's especially true for sex. You'll grow to appreciate this fact as you get older and (hopefully) wiser. If you happen to have a girlfriend (most hardcore gamers barely understand the concept of there being another sex), ask her if she agrees. And listen to the answer. You might just learn something.

And this week's award for humourless and patronising post goes to...

[Pickles]

Arryn said:
Computer games are like sex, even when you are playing SP you are thinking about MP.

A stereotypical male fantasy. It's particularly rampant amongst those that are relationship-challenged and spend too much time in auto-erotic endeavors.


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I am not sure you really mean that. You are saying that when men are "perpetrating the sin of Onan" they are NOT thinking about having sex with someone else? How do you know? - I have good reason to believe that in the case of at least one man this is not true. You are also implying that women think differently & have different auto erotic fantasies, about what one wonders? Hmm getting far OT here.

My apologies if you are not a native speaker but you appear to have completely reversed the logic of what I said plus missed the fact that is was, above all, a joke.

Pickles

PS Who is making the CoC computer game.
PPS In the absence of Norfleet it important to maintain some personal animosities, a task which Arryn & I seem to have taken on ourselves

[magnate]

Yeah, not that this thread was originally about anything important, you understand.

[Arryn]

magnate said:
Yeah, not that this thread was originally about anything important, you understand.

Actually, it wasn't. The topic has been beaten to death (and beyond) over the past 6-8 months. There have been oodles of threads on it. (Do a search and see for yourself.) The devs have, repeatedly, said they don't see anything amiss with the system as is, and the majority of players agree with them. People whining about the subject once or twice a month has achieved, and will achieve, nothing. Well, nothing other than annoying the devs and those who don't feel that the system is broken.

[magnate]

Arryn said:

Actually, it wasn't. The topic has been beaten to death (and beyond) over the past 6-8 months. There have been oodles of threads on it. (Do a search and see for yourself.) The devs have, repeatedly, said they don't see anything amiss with the system as is, and the majority of players agree with them. People whining about the subject once or twice a month has achieved, and will achieve, nothing. Well, nothing other than annoying the devs and those who don't feel that the system is broken.

Blimey Arryn, don't you have a sense of humour? Or are you just so stupid that you need everything spelt out with an icon?

"Whining about the subject", if it continues to explore other options and pros and cons, will eventually lead to the game becoming even better, which is what everybody wants. It is supremely arrogant of you to consider the subject closed simply because a majority agrees with you.

CC

[Arryn]

Pickles said:
You are also implying that women think differently & have different auto erotic fantasies,

As a general rule (FWIW), yes we do.

Pickles said:
about what one wonders?

Wonder all you want ...

Pickles said:
Hmm getting far OT here.

Indeed.

Pickles said:
PS Who is making the CoC computer game.

Headfirst. Bethesda (of Morrowind fame) is the publisher. The game's web page can be found here .

EDIT: the game's been delayed to Feb. of next year, dammit.

Pickles said:
PPS In the absence of Norfleet it important to maintain some personal animosities, a task which Arryn & I seem to have taken on ourselves

Nope. Graeme beat you to it many months ago. It's been a well-established fact that we mutually despise one another. (Ditto NTJedi.) While GD and I have been civil to one another recently (more a case of just ignoring each other), I'm sure it's merely a temporary abberation and things will return to their normal, heated level, eventually. Well, either heated, or half-baked. It's hard to tell at times.

So, you have a long, long ways to go before you achieve a level of animus that will place you in the exalted ranks of Norfleet et. al.

[Boron]

Arryn said:

You, too, are making bad assumptions. It is perfectly valid to judge a game based on its SP value, alone. The majority of computer game players play only in SP. You may not like to admit it, but MP players are a minority, albeit a large and disproportionately vocal one. There are plenty of games that are good in SP and great in MP (such as Diablo 2, Call of Duty, Dom 2, just to name three) that I needn't waste time with those that suck in SP and *might* be better than sucky in MP.

warcraft 3 was the biggest disappointment i ever had with a game .
i were a REALLY HUGE fan of blizzard until warcraft 3.
i loved starcraft and diablo 2 .
but warcraft is not a strategygame but a tactical game which is quite brainless .
the SP campaign is actually somewhat entertaining but warcraft 3 multiplay is so stuid + brainless .

your 90 population limit + the heros ruin the game completely .
resourcemanagement is totally unimportant you just need to make 1-2 heros + 10 of the cheapest troops and then kill all monsters for gold + levels and kill the enemy .

you have a real lack of strategies there . just RUSH,RUSH,RUSH .

with 90 population you never have more than about 20-30 soldiers .
and normally you only go to 70 population because the resourcemalus 70% to 40% is not worth the 20 extra population .

so the game is just based around rush + your hero(s) .

a big step backwards compared to starcraft .
furthermore it is completely baffling to me that even in warcraft 3 you can't group more than 12 units in one group ( you don't need it there though ) .

in starcraft every unit had its use and the 200 supply limit was ok . there you could e.g. make a zealots rush , or tech to templers / air force etc.
you could either focus on micro or on macro .
both strats were viable .

in warcraft 3 it is reduced to hero micro .

ok enough complaining about warcraft 3

in dominions the rout system as it is is perfect.

otherwise i would not build any armies at ALL and just mages + scs .
would be very boring .
this way i have to decide either using 1 sc or using an army + mages . each kind of army has its advantages and disadvantages .

if commanders wouldn't autorout there would really be for 90% of the nations NO need for any armies anymore .