Poll: morale and routing

[Cainehill]

So, Boron, since you like the way things are in HoMM and AoW, why aren't you _playing_ those instead of arguing that Dom2 should be changed?

[Stossel]

Cainehill said:

So, Boron, since you like the way things are in HoMM and AoW, why aren't you _playing_ those instead of arguing that Dom2 should be changed?

I think it's because he sees the way things are in HoMM and AoW as better, and would like to see Dom2 improved in his eyes.

There's no crime in advocating change.

I think he's got a point.

You and others may not think there's anything wrong with how the game currently plays out, but some people do, and they're going to advocate it because they enjoy Dom2 enough to do so, instead of ditching it and playing something else.

[Esben Mose Hansen]

I just think that the no-upkeep of any troops are problematic. But does it matter? It is not as if it's going to change

[The Panther]

Actually, it would make great sense to have the summoned troops cost 1/15 of the initial gem cost per turn. That way, it matches the troops. And when you run out of the proper gems, they desert just like troops!


You would see more troops being built for sure.

[Graeme Dice]

The Panther said:
Actually, it would make great sense to have the summoned troops cost 1/15 of the initial gem cost per turn. That way, it matches the troops. And when you run out of the proper gems, they desert just like troops!

What would be the point of such a change? Summoned troops are already very expensive when you consider all the other uses for gems. It would hardly improve the game to make it so that you don't bother to use summons and magic at all because they weren't cost-effective. That would make it far too much like most other fantasy strategy games.

[Huzurdaddi]

The Panther said:
Actually, it would make great sense to have the summoned troops cost 1/15 of the initial gem cost per turn. That way, it matches the troops. And when you run out of the proper gems, they desert just like troops!


You would see more troops being built for sure.

Actually this would only promote more SC use. *bleech*

[Boron]

The Panther said:
Actually, it would make great sense to have the summoned troops cost 1/15 of the initial gem cost per turn. That way, it matches the troops. And when you run out of the proper gems, they desert just like troops!


You would see more troops being built for sure.

yeah i say that too panther and esben

actually dominions is the only game i know where you pay upkeep for some things while you pay no upkeep for other things .

have you ever played age of wonders 2 shadow magic cainehill ?

i played it seriously for about 1/2 year and enjoyed it .
the only problem is that you have only about 200 units and 200 spells and know all too quick .
but it was really well balanced .
and with each patch the developers made much fine tuning.
as with starcraft.

if you say small developers can't do that i point at paradox entertainment .
they make awesome patches !


i just wonder why you are so reluctant against small changes cainehill where the majority agrees that they would strengthen the dominion experience even more .
esben agreed to me , panther agreed , cohen will agree .

something like 1/10 gem upkeep of summon cost on scs and 1/50 on summons would make national troops more useful and balance it at least a bit .

to be at least somehow competetive against mages national troops would need to have less upkeep then mages too .

until turn 30 normal upkeep . turn 30-60 halfed upkeep .
turn 60 - end 1/4 upkeep for normal national troops .

this way it would then be e.g. about 12 knights vs 1 mage which would the choice not make the absolute nobrainer between mage + knight as it was before .
and with limiting the use of summons a bit too it would be all more balanced .

the aow / MoM approach here is just more righteous .

[Thufir]

Boron said:
if you say small developers can't do that i point at paradox entertainment .
they make awesome patches !

And man, do they need 'em!!! Well, couldn't help that one - but I've said elsewhere how much I like Paradox games. Their first releases do leave something to be desired, however.

[Boron]

i think all these suggestions take only 30-60 minutes for illwinter to implement into dominions .

so they could bring out a big evaluation patch with the new rules and make a survey after 2-4 weeks .
then everybody votes and the majority gets right .



from a balance aspect though can you name me ANY REASON why a summon should not need upkeep costs ?

especially with the blood summons this is very THEMATIC too :
do you think such a powerful being as a arch devil / arch demon doesn't demand permanent tribute in form of e.g. 10 blood slaves / day ( = turn in dominions ) ?


in any pen&paper rpg / fantasy novel normally the necromancers / demoniacs who summon demons need to satisfy them every day otherwise they will kill them and go away again to their plane .

[Graeme Dice]

Boron said:
from a balance aspect though can you name me ANY REASON why a summon should not need upkeep costs ?

Can you name me any reason from a balance point why they should?