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		Today I found four Trojans on my system, three unknowns, and one key stroke logger.  How in the hell are these things getting onto my system?  I have nortan, up to date, pest patrol, which detected them, and a firewall. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		AT,  something has to be wrong as you continue to get all these d... viruses.  You may want to ad  adware as well to your system,  I use Norton, adware, Panda, even Stop Sign once in awhile.  Is anyone else using your system when your not on it?  Maybe someone else is and going to different sites or chat rooms etc and this is where they are coming from.  I'd look into who else is using your systema and where they are going....  I use to get them as well, but cut down on going to a lot of sights or opening email from those I don't recognize.  Hmmm.  How about your email provider?  Does it have a virus chekcer for in and out Messages?  Maybe thats where the problem is...  Good luck, wish I could help you out more,  but I'm comp illiterate in the inner workings of these confounded machines.....  If you have this protection how did you find them on your system???? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		I think, and I may be wrong, but with all the email trafic I get, that has to be source.  I get on average about 30 to 40, give or take a few, viruses emailed to me daily. 
This Trojan.CD-IT thing really cought me off gaurd.  Evidently I have had it for a few days now.  I swept my system on monday and it was clean, but here it is on Thursday.    
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Are there any other trusted machines inside the firewall? 
 
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		And here's me expecting a thread about condoms. 
 
Stop using IE, Outlook and/ or outlook express. THat's gonna tie up a lot of security loopholes right there. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		I do use Outlook Express. 
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		Might I suggest Eudora?  
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		Outlook Express is the fastest and 'Best' way to transport and deliver viruses. After installing windows Outlook is the first thing I uninstall from the 'add-remove' programs menu. in the "windows components' tab. 
Hotmail, yahoo, ao any other e-mail server is better than outlook. MS should be shot, killed, tied and tortured for making such a piece of S*7#.
 
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		So what are your recommendations?  Just stop using OL and use web mail instead?  I guess I can do that. 
How does OL allow these things to get installed?  Nortan detects most, but I guess not all.    
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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