OT: Debate

[tesco samoa]

I would say Edwards won Last night

and tie that in with Duelfer's report being released this week.

[Atrocities]

Edwards lost Last night, and tie that with Fox News.

[AMF]

Don't you mean Fox "news"?

Atrocities said:
Edwards lost Last night, and tie that with Fox News.

[Fyron]

Fox News is no better or worse than any other US news media... it is just unfairly biased in a different direction than most of them are... But yeah, lets all jump on the bandwagon and unfairly hold Fox to a higher standard than everyone else.

[Azselendor]

Fox news belongs in the same place as world weekly news and the national enquirer. I tuned in Last week and heard them babble about race and culture wars now taking place in america. really, WTF!

[rextorres]

Liberal bias!?

More people watch fox news than any other news channel.

More newspapers endorsed Bush in the Last election than Gore.

20 million people get their distortions from Rush Limbaugh everyday.

Also what most people misconstrue as "liberal" (meaning - they don't use Republican press releases for their news headlines) is really right of center.

[Possum]

The american news media are not in the business of reporting news. They are in the business of providing an audience to their advertisers.

If Fox appears to assume a certain bias, you can be sure they do so in pursuit of a certain demographic.

Personally, I vote third party. You may call it throwing my vote away. I call it voting my conscience. One day, enough people will do it for third parties to become a viable political alternative

[Krsqk]

Every news organization has a bias. Every individual reporter has a bias. The problem is when said organizations/reporters claim to be presenting objective material. You don't have to editorialize to slant your report. The information you include/don't include, the wording, the order of presentation, the sources you select for your quotes, the editing done on your quotes, even the obvious lack of an opinion—all these can and do slant every report. An unbiased report is impossible. If reporters were simply honest about their viewpoints, news could be put into better perspective.

Liberal bias!?

More people watch fox news than any other news channel.

That doesn't mean the traditional mainstream news channels don't have liberal bias; it only shows that more and more people are preferring the presentation of an alternate viewpoint. They have a different perspective than CBS, ABC, NBC, and the rest, and obviously it's one that people want to watch.

20 million people get their distortions from Rush Limbaugh everyday.

And the majority of those people understand that his distortions are just as biased as the distortions they'll get on the evening news. Many of those people are also liberals who listen either because they hate him too much to stop or because they find him entertaining. His success certainly isn't exclusively due to his ability to read news scripts. If unbiased reporting is so vital, why do the Democrats complain that they don't have their own Rush Limbaugh? Obviously, their goal isn't pure-as-the-wind-driven-snow objective reporting, but a popular source to report their own viewpoints.

Also what most people misconstrue as "liberal" (meaning - they don't use Republican press releases for their news headlines) is really right of center.

Also, what most people try to pass off as "right of center" or "moderate" is orders of magnitude farther to the left of anything politicians who called themselves "liberals" would have supported 30 years ago. Just because a large number of people have shifted their beliefs leftward does not mean the scale itself has changed. A "moderate" in Havana or Tehran could hardly be considered a political moderate from an objective standard.

[Krsqk]

tesco samoa said:
I would say Edwards won Last night

and tie that in with Duelfer's report being released this week.

Umm, I'm a bit dense right now, but what connection am I supposed to make?

Feed me the information--I'll take whatever you say at face value.

"I only watch TescoNet!"

Imperator Fyron said:
Fox News is no better or worse than any other US news media... it is just unfairly biased in a different direction than most of them are... But yeah, lets all jump on the bandwagon and unfairly hold Fox to a higher standard than everyone else.

Didn't you know? There's no such thing as liberal bias. Liberalism is pristine humanity's natural state, and he has to be corrupted to conservatism.