Conceptual Balance Series (Mod)

deccan · #1 October 8th, 2004, 12:53 AM

Zen, since the general approach that you have taken seems to be oriented towards eliminating "no-brainer" choices whe it comes to Pretenders and magic items, might you be enticed to do the same for scales, since at present it seems that a very limited combination of scale choices are considered by most to be "no-brainers"?

Cainehill · #2 October 8th, 2004, 01:09 AM

Well, there's already one or two mods for doing that with scales, I think - one by Saber Cherry (?) and possibly one more.

Oh, and I disagree that they're no brainers. After all - I still take Turmoil-3 Luck-3 sometimes.

deccan · #3 October 8th, 2004, 08:21 AM

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Cainehill said:
Well, there's already one or two mods for doing that with scales, I think - one by Saber Cherry (?) and possibly one more.

I'm aware of those, but how many MP games use them?

Zen's mod on the other hand, is already being used by a few games. So I guess that makes all the difference.

PDF · #4 October 8th, 2004, 11:02 AM

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deccan said:

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Cainehill said:
Well, there's already one or two mods for doing that with scales, I think - one by Saber Cherry (?) and possibly one more.

I'm aware of those, but how many MP games use them?

Zen's mod on the other hand, is already being used by a few games. So I guess that makes all the difference.

I don't know for Solomon Islands games

, but in France I've played a couple PBEM with SC scales. O3/M3 was clearly not a no-brainer anymore, I've had one nation literally razed by events in 12 turns in one of them !

Daynarr · #5 October 9th, 2004, 05:48 AM

So, where can I get the latest Version of this mod, to take a peek at it?

Arryn · #6 October 9th, 2004, 06:11 AM

Try post #301565, a few Posts above ...

Zen · #7 October 9th, 2004, 06:16 AM

Up here Daynarr

But easier would be www.techno-mage.com/~zen/concept171.zip

Or the Attatchment.

NEWEST VERSION 1.71

Changes from Version 1.7

I mistyped the Light Lance (#357) so it was not recieving it's length bonus.

That is the only change so if you are currently running a game with it, that is the only change.

Notes: I am pretty satisfied with the Mod as it stands right now until more Mod Tools are released. Though I am still taking feedback and very interested in some "Old Fashioned" pretenders that people have tried and if/how it's different and maybe new pretenders.

Edi · #8 October 9th, 2004, 10:50 AM

I'll get back to you on the Asynja, I've got to run a few checks on it, but I've not the time until tomorrow. That one might need some tweaking, it's now so unattractive compared to the male titan.

Edi

Zen · #9 October 8th, 2004, 01:14 AM

I actually have a mod, already completed that does this. However, I don't feel it would be wise to release it just yet until I has sufficent testing to fit it where I like.

Certain issues that I feel should be adjusted is the reliance on the Order scale for gold, the very limited impact of the Growth Scale and that certain Luck events are blunted and placed into a Category of "Mildly annoying" and "Does not scale as the game progresses".

While certain things can be adjusted others cannot (You cannot even mod the Magic scale at all) and the scales are not interchangable in mod types (Like Giving Order +6% Income per scale and +.5 Growth along with -5% Event). So I am left with only running in the variables left to me to find a happy equilibrium that any effect, positive or negative has an impact, including certain scales that are required for nation/themes.