PBW RACE TO SEV TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS

Cheeze · #1 November 9th, 2004, 07:29 PM

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Joachim said:
It is an unfortunate product of the game set up - it encourages these early partnerships and trading/research deals. You have to engage in them or you get left behind. Perhaps the next round should have a strict no treaty above NA and no trading including ships.

If four empires decide to team up and take out everyone else..not one of those rules you mention has absolutely ANY effect on that kind of agreement.

Joachim · #2 November 9th, 2004, 07:37 PM

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Cheeze said:

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Joachim said:
It is an unfortunate product of the game set up - it encourages these early partnerships and trading/research deals. You have to engage in them or you get left behind. Perhaps the next round should have a strict no treaty above NA and no trading including ships.

If four empires decide to team up and take out everyone else..not one of those rules you mention has absolutely ANY effect on that kind of agreement.

Yes it does. THe advantage of 4 teaming up is that you only have to research a quarter of the tech, or in other words you get 4 times as much tech. Plus the immeadiate trade of at least 2 or 3 breather types (possibly 4 if you are lucky) and 2 or 3 colony types. You can also trade resources, allowing the most efficient use of everyone's planets.

So, contrary to your "ANY" clearly, not allowing trade of any kind stops the research, breather, colony type and resource trades. So please explain how this would not balance the field better? The remaining players still have a chance as they will not be left so far behind on the tech tree and colonisation tree.

Cheeze · #3 November 9th, 2004, 08:05 PM

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Joachim said:
Yes it does. THe advantage of 4 teaming up is that you only have to research a quarter of the tech, or in other words you get 4 times as much tech. Plus the immeadiate trade of at least 2 or 3 breather types (possibly 4 if you are lucky) and 2 or 3 colony types. You can also trade resources, allowing the most efficient use of everyone's planets.

So, contrary to your "ANY" clearly, not allowing trade of any kind stops the research, breather, colony type and resource trades. So please explain how this would not balance the field better? The remaining players still have a chance as they will not be left so far behind on the tech tree and colonisation tree.

No, since they can do all those things with every player. However, an agreement to eliminate everyone else is not something your rules have any effect. So there is no balancing on that. Explain to me how these stipulations effect that kind of strategy.

Joachim · #4 November 9th, 2004, 08:15 PM

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Cheeze said:

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Joachim said:
Yes it does. THe advantage of 4 teaming up is that you only have to research a quarter of the tech, or in other words you get 4 times as much tech. Plus the immeadiate trade of at least 2 or 3 breather types (possibly 4 if you are lucky) and 2 or 3 colony types. You can also trade resources, allowing the most efficient use of everyone's planets.

So, contrary to your "ANY" clearly, not allowing trade of any kind stops the research, breather, colony type and resource trades. So please explain how this would not balance the field better? The remaining players still have a chance as they will not be left so far behind on the tech tree and colonisation tree.

No, since they can do all those things with every player. However, an agreement to eliminate everyone else is not something your rules have any effect. So there is no balancing on that. Explain to me how these stipulations effect that kind of strategy.

Because it gives the other players a chance. Simply put, an alliance of 4 trading everything will put themselves so far ahead with tech that the remaining players cannot stand a chance. If they dont have that advantage the other players still do have a chance. Not as good, but much better than it is with a wide tech gap.

Cheeze · #5 November 9th, 2004, 08:28 PM

They have the same chances either way. One way might take slightly longer, that's all.

Without the ability to receive support or information from others, those rules isolate the other empires even more, and make them easier targets for the four allies, only the targets have even less chance of knowing what is happening.

Ed Kolis · #6 November 10th, 2004, 10:12 AM

Remember though, that if I understand the rules correctly, only one empire from each game will advance to round 2, where the prizes are guaranteed... so the 4 empires in any alliance will still have to fight it out just like any other alliance in a cutthroat game

tesco samoa · #7 November 10th, 2004, 01:39 PM

yep only one empire makes it... so the weaker ones of the alliance should perhaps think about their game plan... as finishing 2nd in the first round is as good as finishing 10th

Hence why the game is set up the way it is.

brianeyci · #8 November 14th, 2004, 10:04 PM

Tesco check your mail we need a ruling in the Osshod Game.

Brian

Parasite · #9 December 30th, 2004, 06:32 PM

Three of my colony ships took a shortcut through "Enemy" space. They got bLasted. Never trust shortcuts! Even ones you make yourself.

ToddT · #10 December 30th, 2004, 11:45 PM

Yeah i noticed that, but wasn't that short cut the result of paranoid nightmares

I guess I need to put something a little more current then the ancient BCduc2 ships at that warp point