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Slowed light is virtual phenomenon. Once photon from light ray collides with atoms of medium it transfers its energy to atom and disappears, but atom goes to hugher energy state. After some time atom re-emits photon with similar wavelenght in the same (if medium has no lens ability) or different direction and then atom goes back to initial energy state. This effect will occur many times until photon leaves meduim. Since cycle of "absorbtion-reemission" is not instant, it gives effect of "slowed light".

edit: note, that it's a very primitive explanation which assumes that photon bahaves itself as a particle. But in real world it also behave itself as a wave. And things become slightly more complicated. But the principle remains the same.
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Slowed light is virtual phenomenon. Once photon from light ray collides with atoms of medium it transfers its energy to atom and disappears, but atom goes to hugher energy state. After some time atom re-emits photon with similar wavelenght in the same (if medium has no lens ability) or different direction and then atom goes back to initial energy state. This effect will occur many times until photon leaves meduim. Since cycle of "absorbtion-reemission" is not instant, it gives effect of "slowed light".
Good explanation. Keep up the physics lessons!
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Slowed light is virtual phenomenon. Once photon from light ray collides with atoms of medium it transfers its energy to atom and disappears, but atom goes to hugher energy state. After some time atom re-emits photon with similar wavelenght in the same (if medium has no lens ability) or different direction and then atom goes back to initial energy state. This effect will occur many times until photon leaves meduim. Since cycle of "absorbtion-reemission" is not instant, it gives effect of "slowed light".

edit: note, that it's a very primitive explanation which assumes that photon bahaves itself as a particle. But in real world it also behave itself as a wave. And things become slightly more complicated. But the principle remains the same.
Ok, that makes sense. Based on your explanation, the speed of light in a vacuum is the "fastest" light can travel through any known medium, since there is virtually nothing to "slow" the light wave/particle. Therefore, the speed of light in a vacuum is the "fastest" anything can travel, as far as we know (disregarding certain quantum effects if my memory serves me well). I always knew that light behaved (under certain circumstances) as a particle and/or a wave. However, what significance does this have?
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Wave properties of light are responsible for things such as diffraction, interference and other physical phenomenons.
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Ok, that makes sense. Based on your explanation, the speed of light in a vacuum is the "fastest" light can travel through any known medium, since there is virtually nothing to "slow" the light wave/particle. Therefore, the speed of light in a vacuum is the "fastest" anything can travel, as far as we know (disregarding certain quantum effects if my memory serves me well). I always knew that light behaved (under certain circumstances) as a particle and/or a wave. However, what significance does this have?
The "Speed of light" numbers are really "The speed of light in a vaccuum" speeds. Strangely there are certian particles that can travel faster than the speed of light when this light is slowed by going through glass or air. This is one reason why Cherenkov detectors work.
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The "Speed of light" numbers are really "The speed of light in a vaccuum" speeds. Strangely there are certian particles that can travel faster than the speed of light when this light is slowed by going through glass or air. This is one reason why Cherenkov detectors work.
Ah right, neutrinos and neutrino detectors would be what you're referring to. Neat little things aren't they?
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Strangely there are certian particles that can travel faster than the speed of light when this light is slowed by going through glass or air. This is one reason why Cherenkov detectors work.
Faster than speed of light in medium. But particles causing Cherenkov radiation (like hi-energy proton) move slower than speed of light in vacuum anyway. So this is pseudo-FTL movement.
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For other pseudo-FTL phenomenons you can read articles:
a. Mugnai, D., Ranfagni, A. & Ruggeri, R. "Observation of superluminal behaviors in wave propagation" Phys. Rev. Lett. 84, 4830 (2000)
b. L.J.Wang, A.Kuzmich и A.Dogariu "Gain-assisted superluminal light propagation" Nature 406, 277 - 279 (2000)

I call it pseudo-FTL, because you can't use these effects for information transmission, let alone matter transmission.
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