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December 18th, 2004, 12:33 AM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
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Somebody will have to explain to me why this is a bad thing. Why do we assume that we have an inalienable right to make copies of software, even for backup purposes?
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Simply put Geoschmo, we do not. That is clearly outlined and stated in all software licenses. It is our responsibility to read the included documentation when we install and use software. If the software is acquired illegally, then you have no excuse to be using it and are running the risk for doing so. That said, many people opt to use pirated software as opposed to buying it.
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The problem here is Geo's point -has nothing to do with piracy-. Its making backup copies of software you own. I for example have..hmm, I think 4 SE Gold discs.
You can't apply the shirts logic to software because its a completely different idea. You buy a shirt to have..the shirt. Not the tags, not the packaging. The CD is just an extension of the packaging.
Software liscenses, BTW, are legally probably worth much less than the time it takes to click them. Many include illegal clauses, add conditions after the fact to a sale (illegal), and/or can't even be read until after you've bought and opened the software. All of that makes it seriously questionable if they can be enforced.
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December 18th, 2004, 10:37 AM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
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Software liscenses, BTW, are legally probably worth much less than the time it takes to click them. Many include illegal clauses, add conditions after the fact to a sale (illegal), and/or can't even be read until after you've bought and opened the software. All of that makes it seriously questionable if they can be enforced.
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There has been a ruling in Missouri (in early October 2004) that EULAs are actually enforceable, if you have given your agreement (you should be fine before clicking the Ok button). I think the case was about Blizzard and reverse engineering, which was forbidden by the terms of the licence.
So EULAs can be used in courts, though I believe a district ruling is not enough to be applied to the whole federation; still, it may be used as a precedence I guess. But don't quote me on that, since I am no lawyer. |
December 18th, 2004, 12:09 PM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
Hmm... would that imply that if you found a way to skip the "I agree" portion of the installation (say you copied a CD image to your HD, found the text of the EULA, altered it, then burned a CD off the new image and installed) you'd be in the clear? I've suddenly got this strange desire to tinker....
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December 18th, 2004, 07:37 PM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
Another reason to read before you sign.
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
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Another reason to read before you sign.
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How do you sign a CD?
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December 18th, 2004, 08:38 PM
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According to some EULA's, clicking the 'I Agree' button is the same as your legal signature.
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
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According to some EULA's, clicking the 'I Agree' button is the same as your legal signature.
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Which in reality it isn't... most EULAs contain illegal clauses... |
December 18th, 2004, 09:32 PM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
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According to some EULA's, clicking the 'I Agree' button is the same as your legal signature.
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Most EULA's also have "playing the game means you agree to this"
Which happens to absurd..
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