Enough whining!

Aku · #1 January 29th, 2005, 12:19 AM

I enjoyed the starting post by Tuidjy. Especially this statement:

They never invested in any gem generating items, allowed their hoarding opponents
to reach turn 120 unmolested, and were obliterated by remote spells and highest
level summons? Let us give idiotically high path requirements to clams,
fetishes, and blood stones!

Boron is known to be an extreme hoarder but yet NONE of his neighbors ever attack him. But then people will complain saying they need to nerf clams. It is like saying nerf Ermor because you decided to ally with him but are mad that his dominion went into your lands ruining it.

Boron · #2 January 29th, 2005, 12:32 AM

Yeah good post Tuidjy .

Continuous "balancing" which is nerfing normally only ruins even the best game .

If ppl want a who has the bigger block game they should play Aow 2 SM or Heroes 4 and not Dominions .

Hopefully Illwinter remains strong enough to not listen to the whiners anymore . I already fear though that irreperable damage was done as shown with the ocenia mod where clams cost 3w 1n . If that is how dom 3 will look then goodnight

The_Tauren13 · #3 January 29th, 2005, 01:14 AM

Awww... poor wibble boron afwaid of wosing his cwams? My heart bleeds. The people who whine about getting their favorite strategies nerfed are no better than those proposing the nerfing... Besides, the forums wouldnt be half as lively or interesting. Good, healthy debates are always fun.

Verjigorm · #4 January 29th, 2005, 03:57 AM

Actually, I rather liked the idea of changing the paths of clams. Not to 2W1N, but to 1W1S

Same amount of total gems, but making them diminishes your stock of pearls just like the fever fetish, but that's just my opinion

Jack Simth · #5 January 29th, 2005, 06:24 AM

Not just like a fever fetish; to cascade fever fetishes, you have a 25-turn break-even (ignoring such costs as a ring of Regeneration to maintain your scouts (or the scout's maintenence costs), or summoning black servants to carry them without penalty) via alchemy - 25 Fire -> 10 Astral, 5 Fire -> 5 Nature, 5 Fire; with clams as they stand, it's a 20 turn break-even: 20 Astral -> 10 Water; 5 Water, 5 Astral would reduce the break-even time to 15 turns - 15 Astral -> 5 Water, 5 Astral, and thus increase it's attractiveness.

Agrajag · #6 January 29th, 2005, 06:47 AM

I have to say that this post (on the top) is actually an arguement FOR nerfing hoard items.
You specifically say that you HAVE to have hoard items to win, and shouldnt complain if you are beaten because you didn't use any.
This means, that in order to win the game, you must use hoard items, which makes one general strategy a no-brainer and ruins the fun by forcing you into using a specific strategy.

Skolem · #7 January 29th, 2005, 07:41 AM

Quote:

I have to say that this post (on the top) is actually an arguement FOR nerfing hoard items.

I don't think so, Tuidjy, just says that if you have a neighbourg that you know will hoard, then you have to attack him before turn 120, say turn 60 or before. at this point the hoarding just didn't give you a clear advantage (maybe no advantage at all)

P.S. actually I hope this discussion about WS won't end in a discussion like we had with the WQ, I didn't find it funny.

tinkthank · #8 January 29th, 2005, 10:50 AM

I would agree with Tuidjy -- except that I think he is building up a straw-man. Against whom are you directing your polemic? Has anyone here been whining?

I know that I started a post about balance and Wrathful Skies. This is me quoting me:

Quote:

I like WC and I think it is a valid, if somewhat boring, tactic to use it. I do think, however, that options for utilizing valid counters to it could be increased. Here are a couple of small suggestions.

Suggestions include a way to dispell a storm (NOT the WC, just the storm), making a SoS more expensive, and making WC more expensive.

I didnt feel there was much whining involved in that thread there. In fact, if there has been any "whining", I have felt it come from persons who feel that their own personal playstyle will be endangered ("leave my clams alone!").

Constructive talk in a non-whining tone is good. Threats and whining is not so good. But have many people here really been whining?

johan osterman · #9 January 29th, 2005, 06:48 AM

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Boron said:
Yeah good post Tuidjy .

Continuous "balancing" which is nerfing normally only ruins even the best game .

If ppl want a who has the bigger block game they should play Aow 2 SM or Heroes 4 and not Dominions .

Hopefully Illwinter remains strong enough to not listen to the whiners anymore . I already fear though that irreperable damage was done as shown with the ocenia mod where clams cost 3w 1n . If that is how dom 3 will look then goodnight

Sleep tight.