OT: No black holes? One scientist thinks so...

[Slick]

So, one person says black holes don't exist and suddenly that cancels out the huge body of evidence and the vast majority of the scientific community who do think they exist? That just doesn't do it for me.

This just goes to show that you can't force someone to believe in something against their will. If their belief is strong enough, some people will find ways to reason away anything. I find it amusing that this guy's "dark energy" theory is even more controversial than black holes but he has no problem believing in that.

[AngleWyrm]

Dark matter is one explanation for a mathematical equation about how much matter is supposed to be in the universe--which doesn't add up. Adding dark matter makes it add up. It is supported by the absurd rationale that 'dark matter is too small to see/measure', so it could exist (we'll never know).

And as for that "huge body of evidence" for black holes...that's exactly the entirety of the evidence that I have found. "everyone knows" isn't science, it's social acceptance.

Scientists get to saying some really whacky stuff -- like Schroediger's Cat. I think Schroediger was kidding, that he was making a cynical joke for people to see the obvious fallacy. But everyone took him literally because he's famous. It backfired, and people ran around going "the cat in the box is 50% live and 50% dead until we open the bag" If I put a camcorder in the box with the cat, does the cat suddenly stop being 50% live and 50% dead? What if instead of a camcorder, it was just a rock? I could take the temperature of the rock, and determine when body heat stopped affecting it...

[mottlee]

I Here by Volinteer to go look for one!!!!


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[AngleWyrm]

Uhura for instance...

[narf poit chez BOOM]

* Waits for Fyron to post...

[Jestak]

Greetings,

A hole does not exists by itself. It is what is around the hole that exists...

Thank you

[Starhawk]

Well the dumb thing I think we modern folks have is that when scientists go "We're right" we go "Uhhh Okay" even though every few years a new group of scientists go "No we're right." and we go "uhhhh okay"
And then again and again and again science today is like a passing FAD it's always right till someone proves it wrong and then that's proven wrong and the first theory is proven right again until the next time someone proves it wrong and then so on add nauseum.

I mean seriously blackholes have never had any proof what so ever we just went "duhhh okay" and now we've got a new theory which may well be proven correct in the next couple of years but he has no more or no less proof then black hole guys as it stands.

[Saber Cherry]

Jestak said:
Greetings,

A hole does not exists by itself. It is what is around the hole that exists...

Thank you

Black holes aren't really holes...

I've also heard them called "Frozen Stars" because the intense gravity changes time inside, to the extent that - from an outsider's perspective - they never fully collapse, just slow down and stop. They're still in the process of implosion, so the end result of a collapsing star is irrelevant to the known universe, since such a thing cannot occur in a finite (external) timeframe.

If you flew into a black hole, you might see the end result of the collapse, but then the information would never get back out The end result is that there are no singularities in the universe, and the mass component of black holes ends up having finite size as far as outsiders are concerned.

Another result is that you can't kill people by throwing them into black holes, unless you also die (assuming the BH is big enough so that tidal forces at the event horizon are weak). You can throw someone in, visit them 10 years later, and they'll still be alive as though no time has passed. Of course, you won't be able to leave once you visit them, and then you'll both die.