obat44 - West Germany

[Alpha]

Well there are much probs in the german OOB.

i corrected a few ones:

a) Mountain troops now have better exp + mor than normal grunts. they are now a little weaker than para but better than normal
b) Border guards ( which is meant "bundesgrenzschutz" i think ) should have also a bit better exp + mor then normal troops since these were no conscripts. Also they were in service minimun untill the fall of the wall.
c) PZH 2000 has now 1 more ROF ( also the question was asked above, if it should be also a bit more accurate and therefore a bit more expansive ? )
d) SP arty prices a bit changed ( 109 A3 was a bit too pricey for example )
e) Dornier 205 heli is now correct named "Bell UH 1D"
f) The ammo load f. SP mortars is correctd ( for example the hotchkiss SPmortar should have fewer ammo than the M113 )
g) The Luchs is now 1 size smaller and much faster than in the orig. OOB. there it was only 23 fast, much too low !

Shall i upload this OOB here ? I mean it is the minimun that everyone should have.

But there are more things that need to be looked at:

a) Missing troops: KSK commandos
b) Missing troops: Heimatschutztruppe
c) Missing vehicle: Scorpion minelayer
e) Missing weapon: Bunkerfaust
f) Missing weapon: Fliegerfaust 2
g) Wrong weapon: Armbrust for engineers (??) INFO ??
h) Is the 120mm mortar Wiesel already at the troops ?? I know it is planned.

Also i wonder why have the L44 120mm only 11 accuracy while the russian 125mm has 13 ? Thought german weapon is better than russian ?

Also i think some of the russian stuff should be a tad cheaper...

Thanx. Please discuss ! Also feel free to add above missing troops esp. the KSK !

@ plasma: Think ur right with your points also !

[PlasmaKrab]

Alpha:

a) KSK commandos: are you sure that would be useful in the game? heavy enough assets for conventional warfare?

c) Scorpion minelayer: no. no other answer, no way, that's what the team says, if you want to ask them. Too much disequilibrating in the gameplay, FASCAM is meant to be sufficient. Of course you can mod what you want for your own pleasure, but don't await onboard mineplanters in the official version

e) Bunkerfaust: confirmation about it being in service in the BW?

f) Fliegerfaust 2 = FIM-92 Stinger. Just the same, check the official webpage. Maybe the name should be changed to "Fliegerfaust 2" for the weapon or unit, if it is the official name from now on. First time I hear it though!

h) planned, should check the service date. BTW, no other useable Wiesel II versions in service, only SAM, engineer recon and ambulance AFAIK.

And are you sure that the "border section" of the game is what you think it is? Apparently the only link with the BGS is a possible faraway filiation. The Bundeswehr was founded in 1955, right? So any units before are to be considered out of any BW context, any current context actually.

And about gun accuracy, the discussion is going on (hotly), and the most reasonable pointI heard is that the FC and rangefinder values influence the result much more than actual gun accuracy, which matches the real stuff.

Oh, and generally, all the prices are automaticaly calculated on common bases, which means that the prices are meant to be fair considering the content.

Otherwise, I think you got several points!

Cheers,

Plasma

[Suurajatollah]

Well there are much probs in the german OOB.

i corrected a few ones:

a) Mountain troops now have better exp + mor than normal grunts. they are now a little weaker than para but better than normal
b) Border guards ( which is meant "bundesgrenzschutz" i think ) should have also a bit better exp + mor then normal troops since these were no conscripts. Also they were in service minimun untill the fall of the wall.
c) PZH 2000 has now 1 more ROF ( also the question was asked above, if it should be also a bit more accurate and therefore a bit more expansive ? )
d) SP arty prices a bit changed ( 109 A3 was a bit too pricey for example )
e) Dornier 205 heli is now correct named "Bell UH 1D"
f) The ammo load f. SP mortars is correctd ( for example the hotchkiss SPmortar should have fewer ammo than the M113 )
g) The Luchs is now 1 size smaller and much faster than in the orig. OOB. there it was only 23 fast, much too low !

Shall i upload this OOB here ? I mean it is the minimun that everyone should have.

Your corrections sounds good. I also like the idea of KSK commandos or another Germany Special Force units. Just like for example British SAS which are included.Repricing units sound a bit risky though unitcostcalculator sucks sometimes (Look at prices of on-map BM-22 Uragan and HIMARS) Where can I download your OOB?

Few questions:

*Did you also add extra +3 to Mountain Scouts?
*Is Fuchs with mauser only equipped wiht HP ammos, not AP?
*Does anyone know anything about these Panzerfaust modifications

http://www.waffenhq.de/infanterie/panzerfaust3.html

Thanks!

[Gooseman2448]

I found info from Rheinmetall's site about the Marder A5 that specifies it as mine resistant. Would that be a good change for you?
http://www.rheinmetall-detec.com/ind...1413&action=pd

[Suurajatollah]

Here's my first contribution to OOB's.

*Most unit names are in german
*New units
*Upgraded units (Visions, etc.)
*False units removed(Fuchs 2& Weasel 2 TOW)
*New formations
*New guns
*Changed AP-ammos for GL:s after 90's.

Most changes apply after 1990. In the year 2006 you can see all of them.

Let me know what you think of it and give feedback so that I can make it better.

Thanks!

[Alpha]

Suurajatollah said:
Here's my first contribution to OOB's.

*Most unit names are in german
*New units
*Upgraded units (Visions, etc.)
*False units removed(Fuchs 2& Weasel 2 TOW)
*New formations
*New guns
*Changed AP-ammos for GL:s after 90's.

Most changes apply after 1990. In the year 2006 you can see all of them.

Let me know what you think of it and give feedback so that I can make it better.

Thanks!

Hi,

nice OOB. I have made also a new OOB ("Alpha OOB")
Do you have a list of detailed changes ?

I see you added AP ammo to the 40mm grenade laucher.
i thought about this also, wasn´t shure if for this weapon
AP grenades are/were in use.... any special ino on this ?
On the BW site it says only use against troops/soft targets...