Should VRISS/Arena be restored ?

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SCAJolly said:
Why so? Not only does the smoke land fifty metres/a hex in front of the unit discharging them, but surely the explosion would be more devastating (and at least cause suppression) than grenades falling in a rookie's head?

I meant that the smoke (at least the white phosphorus munition) should cause damage or at least suppression in the hex it lands. We are talking about a rain of burning pieces of metal, that quickly burns through both clothes and skin. (just look at the picture in my last post)

WP grenades was even extensivly used to clear out foxholes and trenches in the Falklands.

[SCAJolly]

Certainly, but that pic looks as if its taken from a larger demonstration. A tank would fire... how many discharges? Four, eight? Spread over such an area, I don't think they'd cause any fear. Rather, if an infantry unit that is suppressed is within the hex of a discharging tank, it would be more neat if the suppression was decreased 2 or 4 points.

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SCAJolly said:
Certainly, but that pic looks as if its taken from a larger demonstration. A tank would fire... how many discharges? Four, eight? Spread over such an area, I don't think they'd cause any fear. Rather, if an infantry unit that is suppressed is within the hex of a discharging tank, it would be more neat if the suppression was decreased 2 or 4 points.

I know from experience that it hurts to get burning WP on you, and that it indeed can create terrible wounds, because it burns through everything.

[PlasmaKrab]

I think everyone can agree on that, burning phosphorous is something pretty horrible to be spread with...

But I really don't think phosphorous is used in vehicle-mounted SGDs. The thing must be closer from what is in the hand-held signal smoke pots.
Otherwise why would have some firms designed specific SGD-launched frag warheads for close-in defence, and why would the infantry friendly casualty issue have been raised only with the Arena system?
SGDs have been fitted on vehicles for decades and I haven't ever heard of troops getting phosphorous burns from smoke pots. From flare rounds, yes.
Has anyone anything about that?

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PlasmaKrab said:
...But I really don't think phosphorous is used in vehicle-mounted SGDs...
...Has anyone anything about that?

Its not bright yellow paint that is spewed out in the picture above. But it may just be that its only Sweden that uses WP in the close protection of its armour.

Better picture


Then we have the artillery and their gigantic smoke rounds, that would indeed hurt...