Suggestion: country threads

[shilka]

As others I have grown tired on missing LBMs or pictures in some nations. There is also some OOBs that raise some question marks in my attention. Hopefully this can be fixed or answered in the future.


N Korea Obat19 there you can find Armour and SPA artillery under armour. And still find the same SPA artillery under Artillery. SPAA sections you find under armour too, but not under Artillery. Unit 043 M1983 SPAA no LBM, Unit 086 30mm GG AA-Gun No LBM. Also in section Armour and Tanks. The T-80U/T-2002 are unlikely to be used principally as CS tanks If ever fielded. If there are any possibilitys to find out more fact about these tanks when it comes to their ammunition payload I would be grateful.

Iraq Obat17 (Saddam �ra Jan-May 2003) Unit 044 Type 80 (57-2) no LBM. Unit 175 122mm Sddm Pl off-map No LBM. Weapons Team No LBM. I also want to question all experts inside here if anyone more then I did see when the Unmaned ULAV was engaged by a Shilka system in the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom? That ZSU-23-4 Shilka fired a SAM against that ULAV that missed, so I wonder if anyone knows anything about any Iraqi Shilkas been upgraded, like the Russian ZSU-23-4M1 Shilka?

China Obat14 there are some new armour on its way if not allredy fielded by the PLA. Great page to update any knowledge about the PLA and their weaponsystems.
LINK:
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/default.asp

Russia Obat11 Here there are some missing LBMs that would make that Obat even greater. light Helicopter Ka-60 Kasatka.
LINK:
http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...60/ka_601.html

NVA/Vietnam Obat23 Mechanised Infantry 10 men - Light Infantry 9 men. Two of 5 APCs can make the NVA troops Mechanised. Type YN 531 and M113VN. The three others can only carry the light Infantry Units. BMP-1, BMP-1(-) and K63 APC. Perhaps something to look over?

Ukraine's leading enterprise involved in the development of battle tanks and other tracked and wheeled armoured vehicles, Kharkiv Morozov Machine Building Design Bureau (KMDB) got a great page where all WHAT IF builders can find information about upgrades that you can do with your Obats when building your former obsolite tank forces stronger.
LINK:
http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/index.php?menu=def2.php

Respectfully:
Shilka

[PlasmaKrab]

I know someone here is on to a long-term project of rebuilding the whole LBM database, with higher accuracy concerning AFV versions, aircraft markings, country squads and other specificities...
The project was at obat 028 Netherlands lately.

I guess he should be around quite soon when seeing this.

Come on Cus, you're needed here!

Regarding some orbats, I also have the project of adding some unofficial icons, particularly on Chinese and NKR hardware. Also a long-term project, so probably there will be some official upgrade until that time.

[shilka]

That sure sounds great PlasmaKrab!

Most Sincerly:
Shilka

[shilka77]

I would like to suggest two future countries Georgia and Union of Myanmar or more commonly known as Burma. Why I am not satisfied with Red is that when playing generated campaigns you get a lot of what neither of the country got in their inventory Irl against you and as such the feeling is not the same. I understand if someone then goes ahead and says well build your own maps and missions and put those into a campaign and play it like that. Time issue; why not solve this with two useful new countries that are more likely to be funnier to play or meet in battle then some others truly obscured nations currently found in the obbs.

4x23-mm of love to yeah all keeping this game alive

Peace!

[Suhiir]

A seperate folder with threads by country/OOB # for corrections, new photo's, etc sounds like a great idea.

I'd suggest adding a note that this is for "corrections" and "enhancements" ONLY not discussion.

[Marcello]

(Saddam Ȳa Jan-May 2003) Unit 044 Type 80 (57-2) no LBM

Fixed in the last patch.

Unit 175 122mm Sddm Pl off-map No LBM.

Fixed in the last patch. Besides I will recommend that unit for deletion in the next patch.

Weapons Team No LBM.

Deleted in the last patch.

I also want to question all experts inside here if anyone more then I did see when the Unmaned ULAV was engaged by a Shilka system in the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom? That ZSU-23-4 Shilka fired a SAM against that ULAV that missed, so I wonder if anyone knows anything about any Iraqi Shilkas been upgraded, like the Russian ZSU-23-4M1 Shilka?

No idea. The iraqis seemed to have limited numbers of oddball units around. They had perhaps a company worth of T-72s fitted with what appeared to be some sort of light ERA. I have also seen a picture of Mt-lb carrying a Vasilek, a BTR-50 with a Cascavel turret and so on.

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by shilka

The T-80U/T-2002 are unlikely to be used principally as CS tanks If ever fielded. If there are any possibilitys to find out more fact about these tanks when it comes to their ammunition payload I would be grateful.

The North Korean OOB would indeed need a good cleanup, I might post some suggestions for change in the next future even if the lack of reliable info is even worse than in the iraqi case.
In regars to the above mentioned tanks I would rule out any
T-80U ever being fielded. South Korea got some them as debt repayment but not NK.
There are rumors that NK may have obtained limited numbers of russian tanks in the 90's but these would have been T-72s or at most earlier T-80s. Certainly not the pricey, rare and limited issue T-80U.

[shilka77]

For Marcello NK tank The P'okpoong-Ho.

If it is this official they got em.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%27okpoong-Ho

Can't get any more official then this.

The Ch'ŏnma-ho

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%27%C5%8Fnma-ho

Might want to adopt M-1992 Twin 30mm SP AA Gun while at it.

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/...1992-spaag.htm





Wildly known in military circles is the extensive NK SAM system while this country is narrow at its waist it sure make use of older and not so effective SAM systems in other parts of the world. We all know that Serbia was quite successful with their old SA-6s and the SA-17 system during the NATO bombings over former Yugoslavia. Now that was hills, and forests, imagine the same system in the terrain NK offers. Ask around at any air base in the states and try catching one gunship pilot that has served at the DMZ and checking if he/she has served in Iraq as well, ask them what differed the two areas of operation. I am sure you will be surprised.

NK got SA-1, SA-2, SA-3, SA-4, SA-6, SA-13 Gopher, and SA-17 Gadfly. No SAM systems in the NK OBB is to be found except for the SA-16s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_...%27s_Air_Force

Kind Regards:
Shilka77